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$20/mo isn't a lot... Especially if you make money with coding.

guappa 2y ago
If you pay out of pocket it means it's not an approved tool by your company, which means you can be fired and sued for leaking their intellectual property. Also 20$ per month is way less than what it costs them to run it. Eventually they will need to charge way more to cover their costs, and the people who can't code without an AI assistant will need to pony up :)
- ioulaum 2y ago
  The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training. That only applies to regular ChatGPT use. And developers actively using AI for coding can easily spend more than $20/mo for the API. There are people spending $10-15/day in OpenAI API usage working through Cline.
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    > The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training. If you’re not running the model locally, you’re sending your code to them for analysis. Now ByteDance has it.
  - elicksaur 2y ago
    It likely doesn’t matter if it is for training in this case. I can’t send our codebase to a friend even if they would never look at it or use it. The issue would be based on the terms of employment and the software license. There’s likely a provision that just says “don’t share” regardless of what the other party will use it for. To OP’s point, if your company is paying for the sub, then sending the codebase data would be an approved use of the codebase as part of your job.
  - guappa 2y ago
    The idea of "do not send proprietary intellectual property to some rando" doesn't even cross your mind uh? I hope your current and future employers never find this side of your personality :D
przmk 2y ago
It is a lot outside of the US. Even with an ok developer salary in Belgium, I'd have to really have a use for something to pay $20/mo.
- ioulaum 2y ago
  If it improves your performance by 1%, then for a salary of $2000/mo, that $20/mo is breakeven. If it benefits you more than 1%, then you're in profit. Of course, if you're in a job that doesn't actually care about performance, and performing won't lead to better salary at some point, then it may not matter.
  - elicksaur 2y ago
    Only if it increases your compensation by that 1%? I get making economic/stats based analysis like this, but is your boss going to notice that 1% to give you a raise they otherwise wouldn’t? Probably not… Your company culture can be performance-minded and this still be true.
    - nuancebydefault 2y ago
      What a weird way of thinking. If you act so pedantic anyway, you can stop coding simply 1 percent earlier each day, since your boss would not notice anyway. Personally I live in Belgium and I would be glad to pay 20 euros per month if it increases my productivity, as noticed by my boss or not. The real problem however is, I cannot simply share my employer's repos to be absorbed by any LLM out there. So I use only the tools that my employer provides and approves of. Currently that is Microsoft Copilot chat/RAG via my work account. It takes some copy/paste and adaptations of problems/solutions but it is much more efficient than using SO. It is also a great teacher that never gets tired of my plenty why/how questions. In my view, the future is that LLMs can train on entire private code repos until it understands its ins and outs. Currently it would need to fit in the context window, hence you need to babyspoon it, as I understand things.
      - elicksaur 2y ago

If you pay out of pocket it means it's not an approved tool by your company, which means you can be fired and sued for leaking their intellectual property. Also 20$ per month is way less than what it costs them to run it. Eventually they will need to charge way more to cover their costs, and the people who can't code without an AI assistant will need to pony up :)

ioulaum 2y ago
The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training. That only applies to regular ChatGPT use. And developers actively using AI for coding can easily spend more than $20/mo for the API. There are people spending $10-15/day in OpenAI API usage working through Cline.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  > The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training. If you’re not running the model locally, you’re sending your code to them for analysis. Now ByteDance has it.
- elicksaur 2y ago
  It likely doesn’t matter if it is for training in this case. I can’t send our codebase to a friend even if they would never look at it or use it. The issue would be based on the terms of employment and the software license. There’s likely a provision that just says “don’t share” regardless of what the other party will use it for. To OP’s point, if your company is paying for the sub, then sending the codebase data would be an approved use of the codebase as part of your job.
- guappa 2y ago
  The idea of "do not send proprietary intellectual property to some rando" doesn't even cross your mind uh? I hope your current and future employers never find this side of your personality :D

przmk 2y ago

It is a lot outside of the US. Even with an ok developer salary in Belgium, I'd have to really have a use for something to pay $20/mo.

ioulaum 2y ago
If it improves your performance by 1%, then for a salary of $2000/mo, that $20/mo is breakeven. If it benefits you more than 1%, then you're in profit. Of course, if you're in a job that doesn't actually care about performance, and performing won't lead to better salary at some point, then it may not matter.
- elicksaur 2y ago
  Only if it increases your compensation by that 1%? I get making economic/stats based analysis like this, but is your boss going to notice that 1% to give you a raise they otherwise wouldn’t? Probably not… Your company culture can be performance-minded and this still be true.
  - nuancebydefault 2y ago
    What a weird way of thinking. If you act so pedantic anyway, you can stop coding simply 1 percent earlier each day, since your boss would not notice anyway. Personally I live in Belgium and I would be glad to pay 20 euros per month if it increases my productivity, as noticed by my boss or not. The real problem however is, I cannot simply share my employer's repos to be absorbed by any LLM out there. So I use only the tools that my employer provides and approves of. Currently that is Microsoft Copilot chat/RAG via my work account. It takes some copy/paste and adaptations of problems/solutions but it is much more efficient than using SO. It is also a great teacher that never gets tired of my plenty why/how questions. In my view, the future is that LLMs can train on entire private code repos until it understands its ins and outs. Currently it would need to fit in the context window, hence you need to babyspoon it, as I understand things.
    - elicksaur 2y ago