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There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Byted

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that are not locally fun.

ioulaum 2y ago
I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure today than anyone else's... Because of the backlash.
- nikkwong 2y ago
  Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.
  - gunian 2y ago
    You don't hear about the other side because people like me usually get murdered in cold blood there is no difference but for you to believe that is a singularity like me being treated like a human :)
  - ioulaum 2y ago
    It is verifiably not controlled by the CCP... Refer Project Texas... And all US data already being on Oracle's cloud so that all access can be monitored (same for auditing of all their algorithms for any kind of programmed bias). WeChat is an app that works inside China, so obviously it's subject to Chinese laws. All countries have some restrictions on what is and is not okay to have on online platforms. China just adds in "social disruption" alongside content that could promote violence (which would be blocked on Facebook, etc. also) You need to not just drink in propaganda... When something just "can't be done" (because it is being monitored), then it just doesn't matter even if you have ill intent.
- aredox 2y ago
  ByteDance is ready to close TikTok rather than divest and earn billions of dollars. Does that sound like a business or an intelligence front?
  - ioulaum 2y ago
    No one with even a pretension to dignity would just cave in the face of force. Although, they do seem willing to sell potentially. China restricted them from selling their recommendation algorithm, and it's hard to sell TikTok without. But, TikTok did immediately start work on an independent algorithm that has no ties to China, so that they can sell it if it really comes down to it.
    - aredox 2y ago
      Oh, so the Chinese governement is taking time from managing their huge country to stop that particular company from selling its recommendation algorithm. And you are telling me this is perfectly normal.
samy_aik 2y ago
I think you are contradicting yourself! Also, why add "China" to a product when you don't attach "America" to the other. If you are thinking politics, fine, else we are in for tech advancement!
ryang2718 2y ago
How have you found R1? I've been meaning to try it with Aider's Architect mode. Have you tried the 7b?
riskyingo 2y ago
I would rather let Chinese companies take my data than US/EU ones where I have bank accounts. Unless you are a super important, influential person, you shouldn't worry about China.
- nikkwong 2y ago
  Yeah, you better hope the code that you’re writing is not important at all.
  - riskyingo 2y ago
    Yeah, I think ByteDance can also write your chatgpt wrapped in nextjs
- guappa 2y ago
  It's just US, there's no EU getting your data.
  - henearkr 2y ago
    That can be read in a funny way, which you intended maybe? "It's just US, not EU."
    - guappa 2y ago
      But I'm not american, so I'm not included in US :D
      - henearkr 2y ago
        But then what did EU mean? ;)
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  You forgot people of Chinese origin which the CCP monitors even abroad (scary stuff really) but yes.
guappa 2y ago
To me USA and China are both foreign nations, and USA is the one who is far more aggressive in terms of army and spies. So as a non USA citizen, I'm way more afraid of USA than I am of China.
- piker 2y ago
  This is probably true, but at least in principle one of those foreign nations stands for free speech and democracy and the other stands for censorship and authoritarianism. [Edit: hey Europeans commenting and downvoting below, note the words "in principle" in the above comment and evaluate which of the two countries do or do not purport to stand for these things despite whatever your hot take may be on the current moment.]
  - guappa 2y ago
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  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    > at least in principle one of those foreign nations stands for free speech and democracy Only of of them is hypocritical, that's it.
  - chucklenorris 2y ago
    That's actually funny.. considering that the main reason TikTok ban was proposed was the lack of censorship of sensitive topics like a certain genocide
  - herbst 2y ago
    That's 2 words non US people usually don't think when they think US. Democracy is literally the last thing that would come to my mind right now. Edit:// "In principle" chinas gov stands for stability, economic development and national unity...
    - looofooo0 2y ago
      Lol, you can shitpost anything about any politician in the USA. Hang any flag on your car, house etc. and you will be fine. Try the same in China.
chvid 2y ago
As far as I can tell this is operated out of Singapore, which is not some communist backwater, according to the law there and on top of US big tech infrastructure. The models this editor work with are by Anthropic and OpenAI both US companies.
- truekonrads 2y ago
  Singapore or not, these TOS grant you nada in terms of privacy. You'd be a fool to use this: We may use Your Content to provide the Services to you and to other users, including without limitation troubleshooting, diagnostics, security and safety reviews, and customer support requests. You hereby grant to us, our affiliates and our third party partners (“SPRING Parties”) an unconditional, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable, perpetual and worldwide license, to reproduce, use, and modify Your Content in connection with the provision and improvement of the Services and its underlying technologies, as well as for the SPRING Parties' respective business operations, in each case, to the extent permitted by applicable laws.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  One nuance to consider regarding Bytedance: TikTok’s CEO is also based in Singapore, but is a former Xiaomi executive who worked in Beijing for years. The firm’s employees in places like Singapore could be coerced by the government of China because of their friends, family, assets there. Employees of Bytedance (and other Chinese companies) have to deal with draconian employee rules and agreements that tie them back to the rules of their Chinese mainland parent corporation and the Chinese government itself. For example look at the details that came out in this lawsuit against TikTok, where employees have to agree to uphold Chinese national interests, uphold socialism, etc. https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths-china-socialist-system-court-documents/ https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths...
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ioulaum 2y ago

I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure today than anyone else's... Because of the backlash.

nikkwong 2y ago
Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.
- gunian 2y ago
  You don't hear about the other side because people like me usually get murdered in cold blood there is no difference but for you to believe that is a singularity like me being treated like a human :)
- ioulaum 2y ago
  It is verifiably not controlled by the CCP... Refer Project Texas... And all US data already being on Oracle's cloud so that all access can be monitored (same for auditing of all their algorithms for any kind of programmed bias). WeChat is an app that works inside China, so obviously it's subject to Chinese laws. All countries have some restrictions on what is and is not okay to have on online platforms. China just adds in "social disruption" alongside content that could promote violence (which would be blocked on Facebook, etc. also) You need to not just drink in propaganda... When something just "can't be done" (because it is being monitored), then it just doesn't matter even if you have ill intent.
aredox 2y ago
ByteDance is ready to close TikTok rather than divest and earn billions of dollars. Does that sound like a business or an intelligence front?
- ioulaum 2y ago
  No one with even a pretension to dignity would just cave in the face of force. Although, they do seem willing to sell potentially. China restricted them from selling their recommendation algorithm, and it's hard to sell TikTok without. But, TikTok did immediately start work on an independent algorithm that has no ties to China, so that they can sell it if it really comes down to it.
  - aredox 2y ago
    Oh, so the Chinese governement is taking time from managing their huge country to stop that particular company from selling its recommendation algorithm. And you are telling me this is perfectly normal.

samy_aik 2y ago

I think you are contradicting yourself! Also, why add "China" to a product when you don't attach "America" to the other. If you are thinking politics, fine, else we are in for tech advancement!

ryang2718 2y ago

How have you found R1? I've been meaning to try it with Aider's Architect mode. Have you tried the 7b?

riskyingo 2y ago

I would rather let Chinese companies take my data than US/EU ones where I have bank accounts. Unless you are a super important, influential person, you shouldn't worry about China.

nikkwong 2y ago
Yeah, you better hope the code that you’re writing is not important at all.
- riskyingo 2y ago
  Yeah, I think ByteDance can also write your chatgpt wrapped in nextjs
guappa 2y ago
It's just US, there's no EU getting your data.
- henearkr 2y ago
  That can be read in a funny way, which you intended maybe? "It's just US, not EU."
  - guappa 2y ago
    But I'm not american, so I'm not included in US :D
    - henearkr 2y ago
      But then what did EU mean? ;)
littlestymaar 2y ago
You forgot people of Chinese origin which the CCP monitors even abroad (scary stuff really) but yes.

guappa 2y ago

To me USA and China are both foreign nations, and USA is the one who is far more aggressive in terms of army and spies. So as a non USA citizen, I'm way more afraid of USA than I am of China.

piker 2y ago
This is probably true, but at least in principle one of those foreign nations stands for free speech and democracy and the other stands for censorship and authoritarianism. [Edit: hey Europeans commenting and downvoting below, note the words "in principle" in the above comment and evaluate which of the two countries do or do not purport to stand for these things despite whatever your hot take may be on the current moment.]
- guappa 2y ago
  [flagged]
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  > at least in principle one of those foreign nations stands for free speech and democracy Only of of them is hypocritical, that's it.
- chucklenorris 2y ago
  That's actually funny.. considering that the main reason TikTok ban was proposed was the lack of censorship of sensitive topics like a certain genocide
- herbst 2y ago
  That's 2 words non US people usually don't think when they think US. Democracy is literally the last thing that would come to my mind right now. Edit:// "In principle" chinas gov stands for stability, economic development and national unity...
  - looofooo0 2y ago
    Lol, you can shitpost anything about any politician in the USA. Hang any flag on your car, house etc. and you will be fine. Try the same in China.

chvid 2y ago

As far as I can tell this is operated out of Singapore, which is not some communist backwater, according to the law there and on top of US big tech infrastructure. The models this editor work with are by Anthropic and OpenAI both US companies.

truekonrads 2y ago
Singapore or not, these TOS grant you nada in terms of privacy. You'd be a fool to use this: We may use Your Content to provide the Services to you and to other users, including without limitation troubleshooting, diagnostics, security and safety reviews, and customer support requests. You hereby grant to us, our affiliates and our third party partners (“SPRING Parties”) an unconditional, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable, perpetual and worldwide license, to reproduce, use, and modify Your Content in connection with the provision and improvement of the Services and its underlying technologies, as well as for the SPRING Parties' respective business operations, in each case, to the extent permitted by applicable laws.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
One nuance to consider regarding Bytedance: TikTok’s CEO is also based in Singapore, but is a former Xiaomi executive who worked in Beijing for years. The firm’s employees in places like Singapore could be coerced by the government of China because of their friends, family, assets there. Employees of Bytedance (and other Chinese companies) have to deal with draconian employee rules and agreements that tie them back to the rules of their Chinese mainland parent corporation and the Chinese government itself. For example look at the details that came out in this lawsuit against TikTok, where employees have to agree to uphold Chinese national interests, uphold socialism, etc. https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths-china-socialist-system-court-documents/ https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths...

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