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Why would you pirate a TTS service when there are so many great options for local open source TTS now? Models like Fish and Kokoro and StyleTTSv2 are great and

Why would you pirate a TTS service when there are so many great options for local open source TTS now? Models like Fish and Kokoro and StyleTTSv2 are great and very fast. Click the leaderboard tab here: https://huggingface.co/spaces/TTS-AGI/TTS-Arena https://huggingface.co/spaces/TTS-AGI/TTS-Arena

userbinator 2y ago
"pirate"? This was always free.
- modeless 2y ago
  The API endpoint was clearly intended for use only by Edge. Yes, reverse engineering the authentication (even if trivial) and using it for other applications, knowing that was not its intended use, I consider a form of piracy.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    That is a very hazardous slope to go down. We are already seeing user-agent discrimination and this is no different than using Bing from a browser that isn't Edge.
    - TOMDM 2y ago
      If Bing wasn't a public website and only accessable through the windows Search bar/Edge without reverse engineering the API I'd agree with you. Comparing an API that typically requires a key and a public website is absurd.
      - userbinator 2y ago
        It's still publicly accessible.
  - itake 2y ago
    I'm not really sure how this is any different from a web crawler? I guess the issue would be republishing the content is bad. But I thought the LinkedIn lawsuit settled that crawlers are ok, as long as you're not republishing the content?
homarp 2y ago
or directly try https://kokorotts.com/ https://kokorotts.com/ or https://huggingface.co/spaces/hexgrad/Kokoro-TTS https://huggingface.co/spaces/hexgrad/Kokoro-TTS
itake 2y ago
The models you shared only support the top ~10 languages / english only. I believe the Edge API supports more models: https://gist.github.com/BettyJJ/17cbaa1de96235a7f5773b8690a20462 https://gist.github.com/BettyJJ/17cbaa1de96235a7f5773b8690a2... Do you know any commercial licensed TTS that support 50+ languages and are relatively small (e.g. many small models, not 1 big model)? Meta's open models supports like 300 languages, but the license doesn't permit commercial use :-/
- archerx 2y ago
  I have been experimenting with piper TTS recently, it's free, open source, fast and has a lot of voices in different languages but the quality is not the best but it's still good enough for most cases. https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/ https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/
  - deadprogram 2y ago
    I also have used Piper and agree it is worth trying out.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    For my native language, Norwegian, Piper TTS is at best "usable", and sometimes a fair bit worse than that. At least in its default form[1]. Especially the rhythm and timing is often very jarring making words difficult to understand, especially when the pitch is not quite right. It also doesn't seem to know about pacing, ignoring semicolon and comma. Combined I often need to think hard about what it just said, or even listen to it again. I also notice these issues in the various English voice models to varying degrees, so seems to be an inherent problem. Or can it be improved significantly with training it yourself? [1]: https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/ https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/
    - archerx 2y ago
      I don’t know about Norwegian but I wonder if the issues are due to the training data. I’m sure it’s possible to train new voices. The English voices are hit or miss, but some voices have up to 900 speakers so it should be able to find a nice voice in the hay stack. The thing I like about piper is it is so fast. I set it up to stream the output to VLC and it starts speaking in less than a second even on my laptop. I wish it could have eleven labs quality but right now the speed is the most important factor for what I’m doing with it.
noja 2y ago
Typing anything with “r” into that text to speech box gives a random sentence instead
natebc 2y ago
Is Kokoro open source? I couldn't find it's source anywhere.

userbinator 2y ago

"pirate"? This was always free.

modeless 2y ago
The API endpoint was clearly intended for use only by Edge. Yes, reverse engineering the authentication (even if trivial) and using it for other applications, knowing that was not its intended use, I consider a form of piracy.
- userbinator 2y ago
  That is a very hazardous slope to go down. We are already seeing user-agent discrimination and this is no different than using Bing from a browser that isn't Edge.
  - TOMDM 2y ago
    If Bing wasn't a public website and only accessable through the windows Search bar/Edge without reverse engineering the API I'd agree with you. Comparing an API that typically requires a key and a public website is absurd.
    - userbinator 2y ago
      It's still publicly accessible.
- itake 2y ago
  I'm not really sure how this is any different from a web crawler? I guess the issue would be republishing the content is bad. But I thought the LinkedIn lawsuit settled that crawlers are ok, as long as you're not republishing the content?

homarp 2y ago

or directly try https://kokorotts.com/ https://kokorotts.com/ or https://huggingface.co/spaces/hexgrad/Kokoro-TTS https://huggingface.co/spaces/hexgrad/Kokoro-TTS

itake 2y ago

The models you shared only support the top ~10 languages / english only. I believe the Edge API supports more models: https://gist.github.com/BettyJJ/17cbaa1de96235a7f5773b8690a20462 https://gist.github.com/BettyJJ/17cbaa1de96235a7f5773b8690a2... Do you know any commercial licensed TTS that support 50+ languages and are relatively small (e.g. many small models, not 1 big model)? Meta's open models supports like 300 languages, but the license doesn't permit commercial use :-/

archerx 2y ago
I have been experimenting with piper TTS recently, it's free, open source, fast and has a lot of voices in different languages but the quality is not the best but it's still good enough for most cases. https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/ https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/
- deadprogram 2y ago
  I also have used Piper and agree it is worth trying out.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  For my native language, Norwegian, Piper TTS is at best "usable", and sometimes a fair bit worse than that. At least in its default form[1]. Especially the rhythm and timing is often very jarring making words difficult to understand, especially when the pitch is not quite right. It also doesn't seem to know about pacing, ignoring semicolon and comma. Combined I often need to think hard about what it just said, or even listen to it again. I also notice these issues in the various English voice models to varying degrees, so seems to be an inherent problem. Or can it be improved significantly with training it yourself? [1]: https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/ https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-samples/
  - archerx 2y ago
    I don’t know about Norwegian but I wonder if the issues are due to the training data. I’m sure it’s possible to train new voices. The English voices are hit or miss, but some voices have up to 900 speakers so it should be able to find a nice voice in the hay stack. The thing I like about piper is it is so fast. I set it up to stream the output to VLC and it starts speaking in less than a second even on my laptop. I wish it could have eleven labs quality but right now the speed is the most important factor for what I’m doing with it.

noja 2y ago

Typing anything with “r” into that text to speech box gives a random sentence instead

natebc 2y ago

Is Kokoro open source? I couldn't find it's source anywhere.