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Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks

by jofzar 2y ago

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smrtinsert 2y ago
This is the real issue.
cedws 2y ago
TikTok was shut down because of clueless bureaucrats and political games, not because of any specific threat. If there was a real risk posed by China why are they idly allowing millions of people to migrate to Xiaohongshu, which is even more strongly controlled by China?
- Aloisius 2y ago
  What bureaucrats? It was banned because of a law passed by Congress. Representatives aren't bureaucrats.
  - ioulaum 2y ago
    It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more than big American companies like to be overly exposed to the US... Thus Apple being based in Ireland and keeping most of their profit outside of the US.
    - nikkwong 2y ago
      Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of banning TikTok. When do you get 100% of the senate to agree upon anything, ever? TikTok was a threat, and will remain a threat until it’s divested from or shut down.
      - guappa 2y ago
        And the USA wants only fb and google to be able to tell them what propaganda to push. It's all a propaganda war, it's not about propaganda-vs-real news.
        gunian 2y ago
        Parable of the Talents seem very appropriate the fourth reich has created lil fiefdoms no difference whatsoever to each side
        ioulaum 2y ago
        The position of governments in society, and thus the kinds of solutions they are biased towards, tend to be similar. It's funny seeing things like US Gov trying to control free speech, while being restricted by the Constitution. They do still manage via back-channels.
        ioulaum 2y ago
        There's also the Section 702 angle... US can get all US social media to spy on non-US citizens without anything in the way of legal pushback. US citizens have rights. Non-US citizens, do not. I think the problem with TikTok under their audited, non-interference under their Project Texas is... That they might not easily hand over data, or suppress views that US Gov isn't a fan of. Which will change once TikTok is owned by a US company.
      - 2y ago
  - Prbeek 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - yard2010 2y ago
      Hahaha how do you like the weather they're controlling?
- meowface 2y ago
  They'll probably (justifiably) try to ban Xiaohongshu, too, if it gets anywhere near TikTok's reach in the US market.
- karunamurti 2y ago
  TikTok ban plan may actually snowball, because now China thinking about their soft power and opening their internet to the world. The 16th Shanghai Municipal People's Congress actually talked about this. They have a lot of companies with very large consumer, and their market is saturated already. Time to expand to the rest of the world.
wood_spirit 2y ago
This is being talked about in real life as we post on HN: the new administration has a different opinion on this https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt (I am guessing that there will be a deal floated for Elon to buy TikTok in a few weeks)
- ioulaum 2y ago
  It's doubtful if he can pony up another $50 billion. Although, if TikTok's earnings can cover the payments on the loan, it could be possible.
nurumaik 2y ago
China itself? Russia that has been blocked from all western services? Any non-US/western company?
herbst 2y ago
Its not shut down, your president made it available again without a single change. And it was only a geoblock to begin with. By that logic it can't be that bad?
- netdevphoenix 2y ago
  Not quite. At least in iOs, you can't redownload it, so if you uninstall it or change phones, no more TikTok. Also, Apple will be blocking any updates to the app for US folk. Apparently, the executive order was illegal
diggan 2y ago
Who cares what political stunts the US is currently going through? Except for the ~4% of the world who happens to live there, the rest of us tend to choose tools based on either what others around us use, or what we've found to work best for us. If that happens to be an editor from China instead of US, I don't know what difference that would make? Both governments in those countries are crazy about spying on both their own citizens and everyone else, and have their corporations under surveillance. As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend, I couldn't care less about the nationality of the developers.
- echoangle 2y ago
  > As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend, I couldn't care less about the nationality of the developers. Is this sarcasm? Isn’t that exactly what the editor has to do to do its job? How else would the AI stuff work? It’s not running on-device, right?
- knowitnone 2y ago
  then you should install everything that comes out of China, Russia, North Korea, Iran
  - stiltzkin 2y ago
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  - diggan 2y ago
    I mean, I have some stuff from China, some of the stuff from there is cheap and high quality, so why wouldn't I? I don't know of many consumer products from Russia, North Korea or Iran. I'm sure if there was something from those countries that I really wanted, I'd buy it. Edit: Actually I do have a product that is kind of Russian, Flipper Zero. I'm don't remember if I bought it before they moved the company to the US though, or while it was based in Russia.
- netdevphoenix 2y ago
  > As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend I see your point but in this particular case, I think it needs to send the opened files to a backend for processing

Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks

by jofzar 2y ago

Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks

deleted 2y ago

[deleted]

smrtinsert 2y ago

This is the real issue.

cedws 2y ago

TikTok was shut down because of clueless bureaucrats and political games, not because of any specific threat. If there was a real risk posed by China why are they idly allowing millions of people to migrate to Xiaohongshu, which is even more strongly controlled by China?

Aloisius 2y ago
What bureaucrats? It was banned because of a law passed by Congress. Representatives aren't bureaucrats.
- ioulaum 2y ago
  It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more than big American companies like to be overly exposed to the US... Thus Apple being based in Ireland and keeping most of their profit outside of the US.
  - nikkwong 2y ago
    Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of banning TikTok. When do you get 100% of the senate to agree upon anything, ever? TikTok was a threat, and will remain a threat until it’s divested from or shut down.
    - guappa 2y ago
      And the USA wants only fb and google to be able to tell them what propaganda to push. It's all a propaganda war, it's not about propaganda-vs-real news.
      - gunian 2y ago
        Parable of the Talents seem very appropriate the fourth reich has created lil fiefdoms no difference whatsoever to each side
        ioulaum 2y ago
        The position of governments in society, and thus the kinds of solutions they are biased towards, tend to be similar. It's funny seeing things like US Gov trying to control free speech, while being restricted by the Constitution. They do still manage via back-channels.
      - ioulaum 2y ago
        There's also the Section 702 angle... US can get all US social media to spy on non-US citizens without anything in the way of legal pushback. US citizens have rights. Non-US citizens, do not. I think the problem with TikTok under their audited, non-interference under their Project Texas is... That they might not easily hand over data, or suppress views that US Gov isn't a fan of. Which will change once TikTok is owned by a US company.
    - 2y ago
- Prbeek 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - yard2010 2y ago
    Hahaha how do you like the weather they're controlling?
meowface 2y ago
They'll probably (justifiably) try to ban Xiaohongshu, too, if it gets anywhere near TikTok's reach in the US market.
karunamurti 2y ago
TikTok ban plan may actually snowball, because now China thinking about their soft power and opening their internet to the world. The 16th Shanghai Municipal People's Congress actually talked about this. They have a lot of companies with very large consumer, and their market is saturated already. Time to expand to the rest of the world.

wood_spirit 2y ago

This is being talked about in real life as we post on HN: the new administration has a different opinion on this https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt (I am guessing that there will be a deal floated for Elon to buy TikTok in a few weeks)

ioulaum 2y ago
It's doubtful if he can pony up another $50 billion. Although, if TikTok's earnings can cover the payments on the loan, it could be possible.

nurumaik 2y ago

China itself? Russia that has been blocked from all western services? Any non-US/western company?

herbst 2y ago

Its not shut down, your president made it available again without a single change. And it was only a geoblock to begin with. By that logic it can't be that bad?

netdevphoenix 2y ago
Not quite. At least in iOs, you can't redownload it, so if you uninstall it or change phones, no more TikTok. Also, Apple will be blocking any updates to the app for US folk. Apparently, the executive order was illegal

diggan 2y ago

Who cares what political stunts the US is currently going through? Except for the ~4% of the world who happens to live there, the rest of us tend to choose tools based on either what others around us use, or what we've found to work best for us. If that happens to be an editor from China instead of US, I don't know what difference that would make? Both governments in those countries are crazy about spying on both their own citizens and everyone else, and have their corporations under surveillance. As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend, I couldn't care less about the nationality of the developers.

echoangle 2y ago
> As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend, I couldn't care less about the nationality of the developers. Is this sarcasm? Isn’t that exactly what the editor has to do to do its job? How else would the AI stuff work? It’s not running on-device, right?
knowitnone 2y ago
then you should install everything that comes out of China, Russia, North Korea, Iran
- stiltzkin 2y ago
  [dead]
- diggan 2y ago
  I mean, I have some stuff from China, some of the stuff from there is cheap and high quality, so why wouldn't I? I don't know of many consumer products from Russia, North Korea or Iran. I'm sure if there was something from those countries that I really wanted, I'd buy it. Edit: Actually I do have a product that is kind of Russian, Flipper Zero. I'm don't remember if I bought it before they moved the company to the US though, or while it was based in Russia.
netdevphoenix 2y ago
> As long as the editor doesn't send opened files/files from my drive to some remote backend I see your point but in this particular case, I think it needs to send the opened files to a backend for processing