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I keep on thinking maybe it's time to move somewhere else. I'm a first generation American, so I'd just be doing what my parents did before me. The problem is,

I keep on thinking maybe it's time to move somewhere else. I'm a first generation American, so I'd just be doing what my parents did before me. The problem is, I have no idea what country I would move to.

phkahler 2y ago
Hang in there, this is a long overdue correction. It's gonna over correct a bit, but then things should be better than before. The rhetoric of Trump being a dictator is way overblown. If this didn't happen we'd be heading toward bankruptcy around the time your kids grow up.
- thefreeman 2y ago
  right. because he did so much to reduce the deficit last time.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    yup, loves nothing more than to reduce the deficit /s people are tragically funny these days I swear
  - phkahler 2y ago
    Because covid? Congress wanted to pass a covid relief bill sending $700B to corporations. Trump said to get the money to the people so they increased it to do so. Biden happily kept the budget way overblown even though covid was essentially over. Neither party has addressed the budget in decades. One wants to spend more and the other wants to cut taxes. Neither fixes anything.
    - kacesensitive 2y ago
      The deficit was increasing from 2017, long before covid.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      so.. how does this make things better long term if you just said neither side fixes anything?
      - phkahler 2y ago
        So decreasing the increase of the problem is considered progress? No.
    - epakai 2y ago
      No, not because covid. Obama's second term decreased the amount of deficit added each year. Since then (excluding drop after 2020/2021) the amount has trended upward every year. I guess you could say less deficit was added during Trump's first term (excluding covid), than in Obama or Biden's first terms. Not sure that tells us anything useful though. There hasn't been an actual deficit decrease since 2001 though. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/natio...
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Considering the Republicans are the ones that weaponized debt in the 1980s with their policy to 'starve the beast' I don't see how Republicans are going to fix it. Unless you mean 'fix it' by shutting down those part of the government that they targeted in the 1980s?
- kristjansson 2y ago
  How did the deficit trend 2017-2019?
  - phkahler 2y ago
    And 2020-2024? That extra trillion was supposed to be a one time covid measure, not the new pork.
- kacesensitive 2y ago
  Ah yes the deficit which Republicans are famous for increasing will be fixed by... Trump? Ok. https://miro.medium.com/v2/format:webp/0*-1b-D-2GuuH2_h_w https://miro.medium.com/v2/format:webp/0*-1b-D-2GuuH2_h_w
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  yes, he's just reassuring that we go bankrupt and have no kids by throwing half a trillion into AI. You complain about giving a trillion partially to people, and Trump is throwing all that, day one, into the richest corporations. May as well speed to the inevitably cyberpunk future. Shame I'm not getting that cool cyborg arm.
  - ericd 2y ago
    If I understood correctly, that was private funding, and he was just taking credit for a business/private investment deal?
delichon 2y ago
If you prefer the policies of the Democratic Party and have no special attachment here, then Canada or any European country is probably a level up for you.
- d3nj4l 2y ago
  Except Pierre Poilievre is likely to become Prime Minister of Canada and is explicitly taking cues from Trump, so it's unlikely to be much different a few years from now.
- CuriouslyC 2y ago
  Britain is great, you don't have to deal with another language and it's affordable.
  - theGnuMe 2y ago
    Uhh the only thing positive is the UK citizens finally saw through the conservative bullshit.. this is only because they were ahead of the USA in implementing disastrous policies which played out and showed that they had no clothes. If the republicans are smart they won’t impose austerity but it won’t matter as whatever they do will have unintended consequences they can’t predict and it will likely tank them in the midterms and in 4 years. But right now they are targeting the intellectual elite that actually run things/society. All because they can’t handle the truth. Tech thinks they will be spared by focusing on their magic counting machines. Trump AI will fix everything.
  - sebazzz 2y ago
    England has the same weak implementation of democracy with the same flaws. You'll want to move a country that indirectly chooses the government and president.
marcus_holmes 2y ago
I think most of the rest of the world is facing the same issues, just a few years behind the USA. Except where the culture is completely different, e.g. East Asia. But they have different problems. Australia is definitely facing the same problems and the same emerging far-right populist anti-immigration narrative as a result. Though to be fair, Australia has always had a pretty strong authoritarian populist far-right anti-immigration thing going on. The one that has totally surprised me is Germany. Seeing them go down that same road again is genuinely shocking.
ainiriand 2y ago
Ireland.
int_19h 2y ago
New Zealand is not the richest first world country, but when this global shitshow escalates into a major international war it'll probably be one of the safer places around.

phkahler 2y ago

Hang in there, this is a long overdue correction. It's gonna over correct a bit, but then things should be better than before. The rhetoric of Trump being a dictator is way overblown. If this didn't happen we'd be heading toward bankruptcy around the time your kids grow up.

thefreeman 2y ago
right. because he did so much to reduce the deficit last time.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  yup, loves nothing more than to reduce the deficit /s people are tragically funny these days I swear
- phkahler 2y ago
  Because covid? Congress wanted to pass a covid relief bill sending $700B to corporations. Trump said to get the money to the people so they increased it to do so. Biden happily kept the budget way overblown even though covid was essentially over. Neither party has addressed the budget in decades. One wants to spend more and the other wants to cut taxes. Neither fixes anything.
  - kacesensitive 2y ago
    The deficit was increasing from 2017, long before covid.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    so.. how does this make things better long term if you just said neither side fixes anything?
    - phkahler 2y ago
      So decreasing the increase of the problem is considered progress? No.
  - epakai 2y ago
    No, not because covid. Obama's second term decreased the amount of deficit added each year. Since then (excluding drop after 2020/2021) the amount has trended upward every year. I guess you could say less deficit was added during Trump's first term (excluding covid), than in Obama or Biden's first terms. Not sure that tells us anything useful though. There hasn't been an actual deficit decrease since 2001 though. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/natio...
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Considering the Republicans are the ones that weaponized debt in the 1980s with their policy to 'starve the beast' I don't see how Republicans are going to fix it. Unless you mean 'fix it' by shutting down those part of the government that they targeted in the 1980s?
kristjansson 2y ago
How did the deficit trend 2017-2019?
- phkahler 2y ago
  And 2020-2024? That extra trillion was supposed to be a one time covid measure, not the new pork.
kacesensitive 2y ago
Ah yes the deficit which Republicans are famous for increasing will be fixed by... Trump? Ok. https://miro.medium.com/v2/format:webp/0*-1b-D-2GuuH2_h_w https://miro.medium.com/v2/format:webp/0*-1b-D-2GuuH2_h_w
johnnyanmac 2y ago
yes, he's just reassuring that we go bankrupt and have no kids by throwing half a trillion into AI. You complain about giving a trillion partially to people, and Trump is throwing all that, day one, into the richest corporations. May as well speed to the inevitably cyberpunk future. Shame I'm not getting that cool cyborg arm.
- ericd 2y ago
  If I understood correctly, that was private funding, and he was just taking credit for a business/private investment deal?

delichon 2y ago

If you prefer the policies of the Democratic Party and have no special attachment here, then Canada or any European country is probably a level up for you.

d3nj4l 2y ago
Except Pierre Poilievre is likely to become Prime Minister of Canada and is explicitly taking cues from Trump, so it's unlikely to be much different a few years from now.
CuriouslyC 2y ago
Britain is great, you don't have to deal with another language and it's affordable.
- theGnuMe 2y ago
  Uhh the only thing positive is the UK citizens finally saw through the conservative bullshit.. this is only because they were ahead of the USA in implementing disastrous policies which played out and showed that they had no clothes. If the republicans are smart they won’t impose austerity but it won’t matter as whatever they do will have unintended consequences they can’t predict and it will likely tank them in the midterms and in 4 years. But right now they are targeting the intellectual elite that actually run things/society. All because they can’t handle the truth. Tech thinks they will be spared by focusing on their magic counting machines. Trump AI will fix everything.
- sebazzz 2y ago
  England has the same weak implementation of democracy with the same flaws. You'll want to move a country that indirectly chooses the government and president.

marcus_holmes 2y ago

I think most of the rest of the world is facing the same issues, just a few years behind the USA. Except where the culture is completely different, e.g. East Asia. But they have different problems. Australia is definitely facing the same problems and the same emerging far-right populist anti-immigration narrative as a result. Though to be fair, Australia has always had a pretty strong authoritarian populist far-right anti-immigration thing going on. The one that has totally surprised me is Germany. Seeing them go down that same road again is genuinely shocking.

ainiriand 2y ago

Ireland.

int_19h 2y ago

New Zealand is not the richest first world country, but when this global shitshow escalates into a major international war it'll probably be one of the safer places around.