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On climate change, are we somewhere between step 3 and 4? It sure looks a lot that way to me. Maybe closer to 4 soon. That conversation is exhausting, or kind o

On climate change, are we somewhere between step 3 and 4? It sure looks a lot that way to me. Maybe closer to 4 soon. That conversation is exhausting, or kind of the inverse of this, overwhelming confidence in the success of future technologies that do not really exist yet.

Etheryte 2y ago
I think whether you're at 3 or 4 depends largely on what latitude you live at. I have many colleagues who are seriously considering moving because the weather is getting too extreme where they're at. Meanwhile people in mellower climates don't even see there's a problem, they're happy there's somewhere warm they can take a holiday in the cold months.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  I live in LA - I am born and raised, never even left the city until I was an adult - I think it’s the best place on earth, but the recent natural disaster has made up my mind for me. I’m still grieving a little in my head about it, but long suspected this day could come - my home is losing fire insurance. I’m not sure I can even sell it if the market goes into a downturn, I don’t really even have a hard decision. the question to me is, what area will weather natural disasters the best in the next 40-60 years? I don’t honestly know. I think parts of northern alaska could become pretty temperate and is reasonably cheap/undeveloped, but I have infrastructure concerns and am not so much interested in remaining in the united states.
  - staunton 2y ago
    > northern alaska could become pretty temperate If you're worried about wildfires, I'd look it up and reconsider Alaska...
    - JohnMakin 2y ago
      You know alaska is massive and geographically diverse right?
      - staunton 2y ago
        Are there there parts of Alaska where people live and where you will not have wildfires (this century) close enough to at least significantly impact air quality? (I guess one could also consider parts where people don't live yet...)
- DrScientist 2y ago
  Perhaps a reason why the US is looking to build a massive wall on the southern border ( people feeling northward ) and is eyeing the acquisition of territories to the north. Though that doesn't map to the 4 stages of stalling - it's a stage 5 - the oh crap stage.
caminante 2y ago
Re: climate change, what can the US and other actors do for "support" when China's still at Yes Minister step 1? China's the biggest emitter and doesn't care. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions#GHG_emissions_by_country/territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...
- rat87 2y ago
  Start by not doing But China on global warming Second step do more as a country Third step try to shame or encourage China and other countries into doing more The US is still in the lead for total emissions historically and has a higher emissions per person. If it ignores it's responsibility it makes it very easy for China not to mention India or other lower total emissions countries to do the same. China is doing something if not enough. The goal should not be trying to find a way to avoid responsibility because that's how you get all countries to avoid doing anything. The point is too keep pushing all countries starting with yours to to more
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Yeah, that worked out phenomenally with US-china trade agreements!
  - caminante 2y ago
    Not working. Do more? The US is buying pv panels produced on Chinese coal power. And no party is catching China's GHG productions. Arguing cumulative historicals is playing into propaganda, and per capita? China is doing enough? They're building new coal plants! You can't be serious.
    - rat87 2y ago
      We need to do much much much more. Starting with banning ICE cars by 2035 if not sooner Did I say China was doing enough? No Are they do enough? Hell no Is the US doing enough? Hell no Arguing historicals and per capita plays into Chinese propaganda because there is some truth to it. There is also truth to the fact that China emits twice as much as the US and almost a third of the worlds emissions. I don't like or trust the authorian dictatorship of China But are you going to get China to emit less then they currently do by reversing the already inadequate measures the US is taking? No. We need to do much much more and get China and other countries to do more If we use excuses of other countries to do less then so will they and we will all burn up together.

Etheryte 2y ago

I think whether you're at 3 or 4 depends largely on what latitude you live at. I have many colleagues who are seriously considering moving because the weather is getting too extreme where they're at. Meanwhile people in mellower climates don't even see there's a problem, they're happy there's somewhere warm they can take a holiday in the cold months.

JohnMakin 2y ago
I live in LA - I am born and raised, never even left the city until I was an adult - I think it’s the best place on earth, but the recent natural disaster has made up my mind for me. I’m still grieving a little in my head about it, but long suspected this day could come - my home is losing fire insurance. I’m not sure I can even sell it if the market goes into a downturn, I don’t really even have a hard decision. the question to me is, what area will weather natural disasters the best in the next 40-60 years? I don’t honestly know. I think parts of northern alaska could become pretty temperate and is reasonably cheap/undeveloped, but I have infrastructure concerns and am not so much interested in remaining in the united states.
- staunton 2y ago
  > northern alaska could become pretty temperate If you're worried about wildfires, I'd look it up and reconsider Alaska...
  - JohnMakin 2y ago
    You know alaska is massive and geographically diverse right?
    - staunton 2y ago
      Are there there parts of Alaska where people live and where you will not have wildfires (this century) close enough to at least significantly impact air quality? (I guess one could also consider parts where people don't live yet...)
DrScientist 2y ago
Perhaps a reason why the US is looking to build a massive wall on the southern border ( people feeling northward ) and is eyeing the acquisition of territories to the north. Though that doesn't map to the 4 stages of stalling - it's a stage 5 - the oh crap stage.

caminante 2y ago

Re: climate change, what can the US and other actors do for "support" when China's still at Yes Minister step 1? China's the biggest emitter and doesn't care. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions#GHG_emissions_by_country/territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...

rat87 2y ago
Start by not doing But China on global warming Second step do more as a country Third step try to shame or encourage China and other countries into doing more The US is still in the lead for total emissions historically and has a higher emissions per person. If it ignores it's responsibility it makes it very easy for China not to mention India or other lower total emissions countries to do the same. China is doing something if not enough. The goal should not be trying to find a way to avoid responsibility because that's how you get all countries to avoid doing anything. The point is too keep pushing all countries starting with yours to to more
- dgfitz 2y ago
  Yeah, that worked out phenomenally with US-china trade agreements!
- caminante 2y ago
  Not working. Do more? The US is buying pv panels produced on Chinese coal power. And no party is catching China's GHG productions. Arguing cumulative historicals is playing into propaganda, and per capita? China is doing enough? They're building new coal plants! You can't be serious.
  - rat87 2y ago
    We need to do much much much more. Starting with banning ICE cars by 2035 if not sooner Did I say China was doing enough? No Are they do enough? Hell no Is the US doing enough? Hell no Arguing historicals and per capita plays into Chinese propaganda because there is some truth to it. There is also truth to the fact that China emits twice as much as the US and almost a third of the worlds emissions. I don't like or trust the authorian dictatorship of China But are you going to get China to emit less then they currently do by reversing the already inadequate measures the US is taking? No. We need to do much much more and get China and other countries to do more If we use excuses of other countries to do less then so will they and we will all burn up together.