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People always go on these extreme diets... From raw veganism to stuff like this. What's wrong with just eating a bit of meat, fish, vegetables, carbs and fats

People always go on these extreme diets... From raw veganism to stuff like this. What's wrong with just eating a bit of meat, fish, vegetables, carbs and fats? Just nice, real food in moderate amounts...

oconnore 2y ago
> What's wrong with just eating a bit For one thing you won't get many likes, subscribes, retweets, or what have you.
tobr 2y ago
The case is being studied and reported because it’s unusual. I’m not so sure that ”people always” is the right take here.
dylan604 2y ago
My favorite extreme eating are the people that take the silver to the point of changing the color of their skin and act as if everything is fine.
ender341341 2y ago
While this is a particularly extreme example but I think most fad diets work because being so different from a normal diet people have to actually stop and think about what they're eating and make some level of plan around it which is easier to skip if you're just trying moderation where it's easier to grab something anywhere.
- bluGill 2y ago
  That is also why the second round of such diets fail. First round you are eating less. Second round you start be finding the recipes for the "whatever diet" brownies and those tend to be just as high calorie and so you don't lose. Nothing wrong with a brownie once in a while. Even if you are overweight - so long as most days you don't each such things and so are on a calorie deficit.
NotGMan 2y ago
Because when your gut/body/metabolsim breaks this "balanced diet" approach doesn't work. People like that need to into all the way into eg no fiber, no carbs or they won't heal.
scottyah 2y ago
Usually they are suffering from something that did not go away with a doctor's visit so they take matters into their own hands. Diet is obviously one of the first things to try to change. You should see the food list I was permitted (FODMAP, though there's a lot of different versions of it) to try to see what was causing my gut issues. Almost all normal vegetables, carbs, and fats are on the Avoid list. Usually it's not just the diet, but it is an easy and even fun place to start.
heresie-dabord 2y ago
Eating in moderation and making informed, healthy choices is common sense, I agree. It's just against the operating principles of a society with a massive industrial food economy. People are conditioned to eat on every occasion to the point that consuming food becomes the occasion.
jncfhnb 2y ago
The problem is that it doesn’t satisfy food cravings that have been fostered by shitty food.
srid 2y ago
That works if you have healthy gut flora, but not for others. Including yours truly: https://srid.ca/carnivore-diet https://srid.ca/carnivore-diet
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  It's fine if it works for you but still on your page as well as your linked resources there are a lot of false claims. For instance on that page about the Comanche it is claimed they only ate meat (which is absolutely inplausible from the start) but Wikipedia says they "also gathered wild fruits, seeds, nuts, berries, roots and tubers, including plums, grapes, juniper berries, persimmons, mulberries, acorns, pecans, wild onions, radishes, and tuna, the fruit of the prickly pear cactus. The Comanche also acquired maize, dried pumpkin, and tobacco through trade and raids." Also, it seems, that meat is indeed not "nutritionally" complete and your source for that claim is some quack trying to sell his book? It's great if a meat-only diet works for you, but I don't think there's scientific evidence to support it.
  - srid 2y ago
    That page <https://justmeat.co/peoples/ https://justmeat.co/peoples/> actually says "have eaten meat-heavy, if not exclusive diets" and even follows up with "Not all are necessarily fully carnivorous". If this is all the supposed fault you can find, it does easily expose your "a lot of false claims" motte-and-bailey furphy for what it actually is. In regards to "I don't think there's scientific evidence to support it", 'tis just as well I didn't have you advicing me all those years ago, else this conversation wouldn't even be happening (and I be free of my chronic condition), eh? Finally, in regards to your "some quack" put-down, it actually behoves on you to provide evidence that an exclusively animal-based diet (especially with offal) is necessarily "deficient". It would seem that you lack sufficient understanding of nutrient bioavailability (generally high in animal foods), as well as the fact that RDA is not absolute (note for instance the reduced requirement speculations for Thiamin & Vitamin C in <https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/17/1/140 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/17/1/140>)?
    - ofrzeta 2y ago
thisislife2 2y ago
Health conscious, figure conscious people all of us experiment with our food to see the impact it has on us emotionally and physically. In fact, look at what the subject of our discussion himself said, "Since taking on this brow-raising food plan, he claimed his weight dropped, his energy levels increased, and his "mental clarity" improved." But yes, as you pointed, there has been a real increase in "weird" diets in the past 3-4 decades. The internet is one factor. The other major reason for this, I believe, is the increased commercial competition in the food and agriculture industry. In the last 2-3 decades, we've all been bombarded with ads and PR campaigns about organic foods ("eat pure / natural / raw") and superfoods ("eat smart / right") or promotions of old-new crops ("eat what our elders ate") like Millets etc. etc. Then there's the PR campaigns from fast food and processed food industries and the PR campaigns from the instant cooking industry. However much we would all like to think that we are immune from advertising campaigns, the reality is that it does impact us. So we shouldn't be surprised that people are confused and there has been a rise in eating orders - https://www.yandex.com/search/?text=rise+in+eating+disorders https://www.yandex.com/search/?text=rise+in+eating+disorders
ofrzeta 2y ago
Well, that would be too easy. Also doesn't make for a catchy name, book sales, and so on.
hilux 2y ago
Well, you can look at the US and global situation with obesity and diabetes, and see that whatever people are doing is not working.

oconnore 2y ago

> What's wrong with just eating a bit For one thing you won't get many likes, subscribes, retweets, or what have you.

tobr 2y ago

The case is being studied and reported because it’s unusual. I’m not so sure that ”people always” is the right take here.

dylan604 2y ago

My favorite extreme eating are the people that take the silver to the point of changing the color of their skin and act as if everything is fine.

ender341341 2y ago

While this is a particularly extreme example but I think most fad diets work because being so different from a normal diet people have to actually stop and think about what they're eating and make some level of plan around it which is easier to skip if you're just trying moderation where it's easier to grab something anywhere.

bluGill 2y ago
That is also why the second round of such diets fail. First round you are eating less. Second round you start be finding the recipes for the "whatever diet" brownies and those tend to be just as high calorie and so you don't lose. Nothing wrong with a brownie once in a while. Even if you are overweight - so long as most days you don't each such things and so are on a calorie deficit.

NotGMan 2y ago

Because when your gut/body/metabolsim breaks this "balanced diet" approach doesn't work. People like that need to into all the way into eg no fiber, no carbs or they won't heal.

scottyah 2y ago

Usually they are suffering from something that did not go away with a doctor's visit so they take matters into their own hands. Diet is obviously one of the first things to try to change. You should see the food list I was permitted (FODMAP, though there's a lot of different versions of it) to try to see what was causing my gut issues. Almost all normal vegetables, carbs, and fats are on the Avoid list. Usually it's not just the diet, but it is an easy and even fun place to start.

heresie-dabord 2y ago

Eating in moderation and making informed, healthy choices is common sense, I agree. It's just against the operating principles of a society with a massive industrial food economy. People are conditioned to eat on every occasion to the point that consuming food becomes the occasion.

jncfhnb 2y ago

The problem is that it doesn’t satisfy food cravings that have been fostered by shitty food.

srid 2y ago

That works if you have healthy gut flora, but not for others. Including yours truly: https://srid.ca/carnivore-diet https://srid.ca/carnivore-diet

ofrzeta 2y ago
It's fine if it works for you but still on your page as well as your linked resources there are a lot of false claims. For instance on that page about the Comanche it is claimed they only ate meat (which is absolutely inplausible from the start) but Wikipedia says they "also gathered wild fruits, seeds, nuts, berries, roots and tubers, including plums, grapes, juniper berries, persimmons, mulberries, acorns, pecans, wild onions, radishes, and tuna, the fruit of the prickly pear cactus. The Comanche also acquired maize, dried pumpkin, and tobacco through trade and raids." Also, it seems, that meat is indeed not "nutritionally" complete and your source for that claim is some quack trying to sell his book? It's great if a meat-only diet works for you, but I don't think there's scientific evidence to support it.
- srid 2y ago
  That page <https://justmeat.co/peoples/ https://justmeat.co/peoples/> actually says "have eaten meat-heavy, if not exclusive diets" and even follows up with "Not all are necessarily fully carnivorous". If this is all the supposed fault you can find, it does easily expose your "a lot of false claims" motte-and-bailey furphy for what it actually is. In regards to "I don't think there's scientific evidence to support it", 'tis just as well I didn't have you advicing me all those years ago, else this conversation wouldn't even be happening (and I be free of my chronic condition), eh? Finally, in regards to your "some quack" put-down, it actually behoves on you to provide evidence that an exclusively animal-based diet (especially with offal) is necessarily "deficient". It would seem that you lack sufficient understanding of nutrient bioavailability (generally high in animal foods), as well as the fact that RDA is not absolute (note for instance the reduced requirement speculations for Thiamin & Vitamin C in <https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/17/1/140 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/17/1/140>)?
  - ofrzeta 2y ago

thisislife2 2y ago

Health conscious, figure conscious people all of us experiment with our food to see the impact it has on us emotionally and physically. In fact, look at what the subject of our discussion himself said, "Since taking on this brow-raising food plan, he claimed his weight dropped, his energy levels increased, and his "mental clarity" improved." But yes, as you pointed, there has been a real increase in "weird" diets in the past 3-4 decades. The internet is one factor. The other major reason for this, I believe, is the increased commercial competition in the food and agriculture industry. In the last 2-3 decades, we've all been bombarded with ads and PR campaigns about organic foods ("eat pure / natural / raw") and superfoods ("eat smart / right") or promotions of old-new crops ("eat what our elders ate") like Millets etc. etc. Then there's the PR campaigns from fast food and processed food industries and the PR campaigns from the instant cooking industry. However much we would all like to think that we are immune from advertising campaigns, the reality is that it does impact us. So we shouldn't be surprised that people are confused and there has been a rise in eating orders - https://www.yandex.com/search/?text=rise+in+eating+disorders https://www.yandex.com/search/?text=rise+in+eating+disorders

ofrzeta 2y ago

Well, that would be too easy. Also doesn't make for a catchy name, book sales, and so on.

hilux 2y ago

Well, you can look at the US and global situation with obesity and diabetes, and see that whatever people are doing is not working.