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What regulations of this committee do you think saved lives that other agencies did not? The USCG, NMFS, NIOSH, and OSHA regulations are still there. When you

What regulations of this committee do you think saved lives that other agencies did not? The USCG, NMFS, NIOSH, and OSHA regulations are still there. When you were growing up, was it earlier than 2018? This committee didn't exist before then. But yeah, maybe we should add 20 more agencies just to be safe...

avs733 2y ago
This committee doesn’t make regulations they make expert suggestions. This is way off the original topic of course…but you can do a quick search of the federal register they you can see the agenda of meetings and such. A recent one reviewed structural failures that led to boats sinking. Fields learn as new things happen. There’s a reason aerospace industries talk about rules having body counts. Freezing regulations rarely makes work easier or faster, it just makes knowledge sharing worse. There this large assumption across HN that if one doesn’t understand something l, that must meant it doesn’t make sense. It’s a bad way to operate in the world…independently of ideology…lack of understanding is not unique insight.
- theultdev 2y ago
  I think we'll get by without their "expert suggestions" as we did in 2017 before they existed. It boils down to whether or not this committee was beneficial or not. I have not seen any data backing up that it helped at all since it's inception in 2018.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Do you honestly, seriously believe shutting down this group of people was a data-driven decision?
mcculley 2y ago
>What regulations of this committee do you think saved lives that other agencies did not? I did not argue for this specific committee. I replied to your incorrect, uninformed assertions. > I think fisherman know how to be safe You have obviously not worked with commercial fishermen. Maybe you have never worked with any complicated industrial process. Safety regulations do not propagate by osmosis. It requires an agency verifying them. > without bureaucrats in DC that have never been in a fishing boat butting in. In my experience, the USCG inspectors who execute inspections and inform regulations served on boats. You are making an armchair assumption about how the process works. > You just need coast guard for emergencies. This is also ridiculously incorrect. USCG safety inspections have prevented many emergencies. > They got along just fine before 2018 when this committee was created. 2018 is when we started implementing 46 CFR Subchapter M, which adds many overdue safety improvements and still does not bring us up to the standards of more developed flags. > But yeah, maybe we should add 20 more agencies just to be safe... This is strawman nonsense. I get frustrated with regulation as much as anyone. I had to allocate capital to upgrades to be compliant with regulation. I have opinions about which regulations were important and necessary and which were not. Those who want to burn it all down have no real world experience in this domain.

avs733 2y ago

This committee doesn’t make regulations they make expert suggestions. This is way off the original topic of course…but you can do a quick search of the federal register they you can see the agenda of meetings and such. A recent one reviewed structural failures that led to boats sinking. Fields learn as new things happen. There’s a reason aerospace industries talk about rules having body counts. Freezing regulations rarely makes work easier or faster, it just makes knowledge sharing worse. There this large assumption across HN that if one doesn’t understand something l, that must meant it doesn’t make sense. It’s a bad way to operate in the world…independently of ideology…lack of understanding is not unique insight.

theultdev 2y ago
I think we'll get by without their "expert suggestions" as we did in 2017 before they existed. It boils down to whether or not this committee was beneficial or not. I have not seen any data backing up that it helped at all since it's inception in 2018.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Do you honestly, seriously believe shutting down this group of people was a data-driven decision?

mcculley 2y ago

>What regulations of this committee do you think saved lives that other agencies did not? I did not argue for this specific committee. I replied to your incorrect, uninformed assertions. > I think fisherman know how to be safe You have obviously not worked with commercial fishermen. Maybe you have never worked with any complicated industrial process. Safety regulations do not propagate by osmosis. It requires an agency verifying them. > without bureaucrats in DC that have never been in a fishing boat butting in. In my experience, the USCG inspectors who execute inspections and inform regulations served on boats. You are making an armchair assumption about how the process works. > You just need coast guard for emergencies. This is also ridiculously incorrect. USCG safety inspections have prevented many emergencies. > They got along just fine before 2018 when this committee was created. 2018 is when we started implementing 46 CFR Subchapter M, which adds many overdue safety improvements and still does not bring us up to the standards of more developed flags. > But yeah, maybe we should add 20 more agencies just to be safe... This is strawman nonsense. I get frustrated with regulation as much as anyone. I had to allocate capital to upgrades to be compliant with regulation. I have opinions about which regulations were important and necessary and which were not. Those who want to burn it all down have no real world experience in this domain.