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Read this with a smug "eh I still don't have TPM 2.0 so good luck with that", but little did I know TPM 2.0 is no longer a requirement since December 2024[1], g

by belval 2y ago

Read this with a smug "eh I still don't have TPM 2.0 so good luck with that", but little did I know TPM 2.0 is no longer a requirement since December 2024[1], guess I am getting upgraded whether I like it or not. [1] https://www.techopse.com/microsoft-reverses-non-negotiable-tpm-2-0-requirement-for-windows-11-as-windows-10-faces-phase-out/ https://www.techopse.com/microsoft-reverses-non-negotiable-t...

muro 2y ago
there is no source for TPM 2.0 no longer being a requirement - it looks made up.
gruez 2y ago
If you really want to avoid Windows 11, get Windows 10 IOT LTSC. It's supported till 2032.
- zenoprax 2y ago
  The only downside I've discovered from using this version is the inability to install `winget` and thence, Windows Terminal. I was able to add it at one point but then MS added new barriers and I haven't attempted since.
  - nxrabl 2y ago
    I don’t know about winget, but you may be able to install the portable build of Terminal via scoop: https://scoop.sh/#/apps?q=Terminal&id=269082ead77af63e0e77c98c80bef9429504ac23 https://scoop.sh/#/apps?q=Terminal&id=269082ead77af63e0e77c9...
    - zenoprax 2y ago
      Thanks, I'll try that instead.
  - vunderba 2y ago
    FWIW, I don't use winget but was able to install WSL/WSL 2/terminal without any issues on my windows 10 ltsc iot edition.
    - zenoprax 2y ago
      With the MS Store removed too? I don't recall the "wsl --install" commands working out of the box on IOT.
- NikkiA 2y ago
  At that point you're technically violating the license, so what does having a 'supported' version even mean?
  - gruez 2y ago
    "support" in this context refers to security patches, not ability to submit support tickets.
mindcrash 2y ago
If your CPU is not on the compatibility list [1], like the i7 7820HK in my laptop, you will not be able to automatically upgrade to Windows 11, TPM or not. Unless you use a tool like Rufus to patch the Windows 11 installer and remove all (artificial) checks, because then suddenly Windows 11 will even install on 10 year old PCs with a in place upgrade. [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/mi...
- CursedSilicon 2y ago
  Except that forcing Windows 11 on to unsupported PC's carries the caveat that once they upgrade chunks of the OS with newer compiler flags (such as the NT kernel) the system is rendered unbootable https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-updates-windows-11-24h2-requirements-cpu-must-support-sse42-or-the-os-will-not-boot https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-upda... Granted x86-64-v2 includes the original 2008 Intel Nehalem ("Core" series) and AMD Bulldozer (2011) but it's not unreasonable to assume that they'll slowly "ratchet" up the requirements over time
ashoeafoot 2y ago
Upgrayedd with a double d

by belval 2y ago

muro 2y ago

there is no source for TPM 2.0 no longer being a requirement - it looks made up.

gruez 2y ago

If you really want to avoid Windows 11, get Windows 10 IOT LTSC. It's supported till 2032.

zenoprax 2y ago
The only downside I've discovered from using this version is the inability to install `winget` and thence, Windows Terminal. I was able to add it at one point but then MS added new barriers and I haven't attempted since.
- nxrabl 2y ago
  I don’t know about winget, but you may be able to install the portable build of Terminal via scoop: https://scoop.sh/#/apps?q=Terminal&id=269082ead77af63e0e77c98c80bef9429504ac23 https://scoop.sh/#/apps?q=Terminal&id=269082ead77af63e0e77c9...
  - zenoprax 2y ago
    Thanks, I'll try that instead.
- vunderba 2y ago
  FWIW, I don't use winget but was able to install WSL/WSL 2/terminal without any issues on my windows 10 ltsc iot edition.
  - zenoprax 2y ago
    With the MS Store removed too? I don't recall the "wsl --install" commands working out of the box on IOT.
NikkiA 2y ago
At that point you're technically violating the license, so what does having a 'supported' version even mean?
- gruez 2y ago
  "support" in this context refers to security patches, not ability to submit support tickets.

mindcrash 2y ago

If your CPU is not on the compatibility list [1], like the i7 7820HK in my laptop, you will not be able to automatically upgrade to Windows 11, TPM or not. Unless you use a tool like Rufus to patch the Windows 11 installer and remove all (artificial) checks, because then suddenly Windows 11 will even install on 10 year old PCs with a in place upgrade. [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/mi...

CursedSilicon 2y ago
Except that forcing Windows 11 on to unsupported PC's carries the caveat that once they upgrade chunks of the OS with newer compiler flags (such as the NT kernel) the system is rendered unbootable https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-updates-windows-11-24h2-requirements-cpu-must-support-sse42-or-the-os-will-not-boot https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-upda... Granted x86-64-v2 includes the original 2008 Intel Nehalem ("Core" series) and AMD Bulldozer (2011) but it's not unreasonable to assume that they'll slowly "ratchet" up the requirements over time

ashoeafoot 2y ago

Upgrayedd with a double d