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Here is the National Commercial Fishing Safety Advisory Council charter: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-09/24_0712_ncfsac_charter_renewal.pdf htt

Here is the National Commercial Fishing Safety Advisory Council charter: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-09/24_0712_ncfsac_charter_renewal.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-09/24_0712_ncfs... The activities listed are: 1. "...advise and provide recommendations in writing to the Secretary of Homeland Security...on matters relating to the safe operation of commercial fishing industry vessels" 2. "review regulations..." 3. "review marine casualties and investigations of vessels..."

wyldfire 2y ago
So, maybe the new administration did a global "ctrl-f regulation, uncheck".
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  Or maybe dozens of K-street hotshots carefully scrutizined every possible department that could include such committees. Or more likely, somewhere inbetween, thousands of teams, mediated by a few hundred of the most influential, struggling to get the attention of this or that decision maker. Most of them just throwing random things at a wall and seeing what sticks. The truth is HN readers won’t know and can’t ever know, barring a tiny handful who can read the tea leaves successfully year after year.
  - metadat 2y ago
    What's a "K-street hotshot"? K-street is new to me. Edit: Thanks to @lelandfe for pointing to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.) * n.b. HN can't handle the period at the end of the link, see the jump page link for convenience: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street I'll leave this comment up in case there are others this term is also new to.
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    - jovrtn 2y ago
      <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.)>
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Again I can't tell if you've quoted three vaguely regulation-y phrases in an attempt to justify generic contempt for government regulation or if you're backing me up with documentary proof that this is a boring sensible thing. As your document says, it is literally the commercial fishing industry, shipbuilders, shipowners, equipment manufacturers, insurers etc. getting together to swap notes on safety because shipwrecks and deaths are not good for business. "members serve as representatives of their respective interests, associations, or organizations" This is not woke communism.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  I found a job posting from 2020. I didn't know much about this agency so I looked them up. Turns out I didn't know much about them because this was established in 2018. One of the interesting bits about the job posting is that, not too surprisingly, there are no salaries: > All members will serve at their own expense and receive no salary or other compensation from the Federal Government, with the exception that members may be reimbursed for travel and per diem in accordance with Federal Travel Regulations. Which, to me, can read two ways: altruistic people trying to make the industry better OR You won't even be selected to this committee unless you're already wealthy enough to foot the bill yourself and shape policy in a way that advantages ones self. I don't know which way to read it, but if it wasn't costing anything, cutting it "for cost savings" can't be completely true. Maybe there were other overhead costs, but even saying that those costs are $1M/yr is a rounding error for the national budget. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/10/13/2020-22571/national-commercial-fishing-safety-advisory-committee-vacancy https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/10/13/2020-22...
  - twic 2y ago
    This sounds to me like industry bodies such as WG21, TC39, JSR expert groups, etc. A way to get people with full-time jobs in relevant industries together to plan their shared future. I doubt the members of this board are wealthy people joining it in their own capacity. As such, i don't think it makes sense to consider them as either altruistic or self-serving; it's just part of their job.
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nilamo 2y ago
Based on just that text, they're the water version of the NTSB and thus one of the most important groups in the country.
- Jimmc414 2y ago
  NCFSAC isn’t the water version of the NTSB. The NTSB, through its Office of Marine Safety (OMS), investigates major marine accidents across all sectors, determines probable causes, and issues safety recommendations. It operates independently. In contrast, NCFSAC is an advisory body focused solely on commercial fishing safety, providing recommendations but not conducting investigations.

wyldfire 2y ago

So, maybe the new administration did a global "ctrl-f regulation, uncheck".

MichaelZuo 2y ago
Or maybe dozens of K-street hotshots carefully scrutizined every possible department that could include such committees. Or more likely, somewhere inbetween, thousands of teams, mediated by a few hundred of the most influential, struggling to get the attention of this or that decision maker. Most of them just throwing random things at a wall and seeing what sticks. The truth is HN readers won’t know and can’t ever know, barring a tiny handful who can read the tea leaves successfully year after year.
- metadat 2y ago
  What's a "K-street hotshot"? K-street is new to me. Edit: Thanks to @lelandfe for pointing to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.) * n.b. HN can't handle the period at the end of the link, see the jump page link for convenience: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street I'll leave this comment up in case there are others this term is also new to.
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  - jovrtn 2y ago
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.)>

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

Again I can't tell if you've quoted three vaguely regulation-y phrases in an attempt to justify generic contempt for government regulation or if you're backing me up with documentary proof that this is a boring sensible thing. As your document says, it is literally the commercial fishing industry, shipbuilders, shipowners, equipment manufacturers, insurers etc. getting together to swap notes on safety because shipwrecks and deaths are not good for business. "members serve as representatives of their respective interests, associations, or organizations" This is not woke communism.

dgfitz 2y ago
I found a job posting from 2020. I didn't know much about this agency so I looked them up. Turns out I didn't know much about them because this was established in 2018. One of the interesting bits about the job posting is that, not too surprisingly, there are no salaries: > All members will serve at their own expense and receive no salary or other compensation from the Federal Government, with the exception that members may be reimbursed for travel and per diem in accordance with Federal Travel Regulations. Which, to me, can read two ways: altruistic people trying to make the industry better OR You won't even be selected to this committee unless you're already wealthy enough to foot the bill yourself and shape policy in a way that advantages ones self. I don't know which way to read it, but if it wasn't costing anything, cutting it "for cost savings" can't be completely true. Maybe there were other overhead costs, but even saying that those costs are $1M/yr is a rounding error for the national budget. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/10/13/2020-22571/national-commercial-fishing-safety-advisory-committee-vacancy https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/10/13/2020-22...
- twic 2y ago
  This sounds to me like industry bodies such as WG21, TC39, JSR expert groups, etc. A way to get people with full-time jobs in relevant industries together to plan their shared future. I doubt the members of this board are wealthy people joining it in their own capacity. As such, i don't think it makes sense to consider them as either altruistic or self-serving; it's just part of their job.
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nilamo 2y ago

Based on just that text, they're the water version of the NTSB and thus one of the most important groups in the country.

Jimmc414 2y ago
NCFSAC isn’t the water version of the NTSB. The NTSB, through its Office of Marine Safety (OMS), investigates major marine accidents across all sectors, determines probable causes, and issues safety recommendations. It operates independently. In contrast, NCFSAC is an advisory body focused solely on commercial fishing safety, providing recommendations but not conducting investigations.