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Ridiculous? He was in prison for 10 years.

by maxlin 2y ago

I_am_tiberius 2y ago
A full pardon means the individual gets their legal record cleared (as if the crime never happened).
- snapcaster 2y ago
  they don't get the 10 years back dude jesus christ
  - ddtaylor 2y ago
    Nobody will undo whatever has been done to him. I don't know all of the specifics but I have spoken on HN here about my incarceration at much much much lower level facilities. This man was at a USP and at other times other facilities. Those are places where even with the best intentions you are not expected to move in any capacity without serious safety concerns. We're talking "shower with your boots, a spotter and and a shank on you" environment without the slightest joke. It took a while likely because Ross is non-violent and smart, but eventually he was unable to stay in general population to some capacity. My understanding is he has spent significant time in solitary confinement or PC - effectively the same thing at these facilities, very small single cell rooms with a slot in them and the minimum required 1 hour of "yard time" per day, most of which has been suspended to some degree due to COVID and the slow response. The end result is this guy for sure has spent months to years in a very small cell, possibly without even seeing the sun. I didn't see the sun "for reals" for 6 months. A keyboard warrior can swoop in here and talk about how they cannot do this or how X time restrictions exist, but the reality is they just need to move you back to your cell on paper for a day and then back in or trick you into signing some kind of paperwork consenting. My heart goes out to both of them and I am reminded that I was the person that help mined the first 1FREEROSS Bitcoin vanity address to help crowd fund his defense. Lyn never gave up the slightest even during times that were fucking impossible to imagine.
    - nso 2y ago
      He tried to have someone's life violently taken away. He should have rotted in there.
      - smeej 2y ago
        The typical sentence for attempted murder-for-hire in the U.S. isn't a double life sentence plus 40 years without the possibility of parole.
        ddtaylor 2y ago
        Those sentences are given to people convicted of those crimes. Ross never even had that trial.
      - ddtaylor 2y ago
        Do you believe any elements of the investigations or prosecution of Ross involved lies or attempts to frame him by agents?
  - eddieroger 2y ago
    he doesn't get back time but he does get back status as a cleared individual, which comes with things like the ability to vote and buy weapons.
- namirez 2y ago
  I’m also wondering why a full pardon rather than a commutation.
  - NovemberWhiskey 2y ago
    That's transparently obvious if you read the press release: Trump analogizes his own personal treatment by the Justice Department with that of Ulbricht c.f. "weaponization of the justice system".
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    Trump team wants his help running crypto shenanigans
    - immibis 2y ago
      This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.
    - mardifoufs 2y ago
      Seriously? What a weird suggestion, crypto now has nothing to do with crypto back when he was running Silk road, and there are tons of crypto bros to pick from if the Trump team wanted someone to help run "their crypto shenanigans". I don't think anyone involved in crypto back in 2013 could've seen how much of a mess it would become anyways
      - HWR_14 2y ago
        > I don't think anyone involved in crypto back in 2013 could've seen how much of a mess it would become anyways It seems that crypto then and now are pretty similar, mess wise.
    - rtkwe 2y ago
      Does he need help? They've already released two nonsense meme coins to bilk their followers and crypto people hoping to time the dump correctly.
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- zacharyvoase 2y ago
  That’s not true actually. Like most things at law, it’s more complicated than that.
Thorrez 2y ago
Then commute his sentence to time served. Don't pardon him, which says he wasn't guilty to begin with.
- maxlin 2y ago
  In his promise Trump said exactly "I will commute the sentence of ... " I don't know the differences but also from my perspective they don't seem to differ that much. Might as well be that Trump said "yeah and pardon that guy Ulbricht ... " while doing tons of other stuff wielding his new powers like he's doing now and his word was taken exact, given there's little difference
  - Thorrez 2y ago
    I guess he promised to commute his sentence, then later changed his mind to pardon him: >I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbricht to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous! https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113869112741612092 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1138691127416...
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HWR_14 2y ago
A pardon is not used when you think the crime occurred but the punishment is too harsh. That's a commutation (which the president also has the power to do). It can replace the punishment with a lighter one or none at all. A pardon is used when you want to erase the criminal record on top of that.
- porbelm 2y ago
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Ridiculous? He was in prison for 10 years.

by maxlin 2y ago

Ridiculous? He was in prison for 10 years.

I_am_tiberius 2y ago

A full pardon means the individual gets their legal record cleared (as if the crime never happened).

snapcaster 2y ago
they don't get the 10 years back dude jesus christ
- ddtaylor 2y ago
  Nobody will undo whatever has been done to him. I don't know all of the specifics but I have spoken on HN here about my incarceration at much much much lower level facilities. This man was at a USP and at other times other facilities. Those are places where even with the best intentions you are not expected to move in any capacity without serious safety concerns. We're talking "shower with your boots, a spotter and and a shank on you" environment without the slightest joke. It took a while likely because Ross is non-violent and smart, but eventually he was unable to stay in general population to some capacity. My understanding is he has spent significant time in solitary confinement or PC - effectively the same thing at these facilities, very small single cell rooms with a slot in them and the minimum required 1 hour of "yard time" per day, most of which has been suspended to some degree due to COVID and the slow response. The end result is this guy for sure has spent months to years in a very small cell, possibly without even seeing the sun. I didn't see the sun "for reals" for 6 months. A keyboard warrior can swoop in here and talk about how they cannot do this or how X time restrictions exist, but the reality is they just need to move you back to your cell on paper for a day and then back in or trick you into signing some kind of paperwork consenting. My heart goes out to both of them and I am reminded that I was the person that help mined the first 1FREEROSS Bitcoin vanity address to help crowd fund his defense. Lyn never gave up the slightest even during times that were fucking impossible to imagine.
  - nso 2y ago
    He tried to have someone's life violently taken away. He should have rotted in there.
    - smeej 2y ago
      The typical sentence for attempted murder-for-hire in the U.S. isn't a double life sentence plus 40 years without the possibility of parole.
      - ddtaylor 2y ago
        Those sentences are given to people convicted of those crimes. Ross never even had that trial.
    - ddtaylor 2y ago
      Do you believe any elements of the investigations or prosecution of Ross involved lies or attempts to frame him by agents?
- eddieroger 2y ago
  he doesn't get back time but he does get back status as a cleared individual, which comes with things like the ability to vote and buy weapons.
namirez 2y ago
I’m also wondering why a full pardon rather than a commutation.
- NovemberWhiskey 2y ago
  That's transparently obvious if you read the press release: Trump analogizes his own personal treatment by the Justice Department with that of Ulbricht c.f. "weaponization of the justice system".
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  Trump team wants his help running crypto shenanigans
  - immibis 2y ago
    This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    Seriously? What a weird suggestion, crypto now has nothing to do with crypto back when he was running Silk road, and there are tons of crypto bros to pick from if the Trump team wanted someone to help run "their crypto shenanigans". I don't think anyone involved in crypto back in 2013 could've seen how much of a mess it would become anyways
    - HWR_14 2y ago
      > I don't think anyone involved in crypto back in 2013 could've seen how much of a mess it would become anyways It seems that crypto then and now are pretty similar, mess wise.
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    Does he need help? They've already released two nonsense meme coins to bilk their followers and crypto people hoping to time the dump correctly.
- 2y ago
zacharyvoase 2y ago
That’s not true actually. Like most things at law, it’s more complicated than that.

Thorrez 2y ago

Then commute his sentence to time served. Don't pardon him, which says he wasn't guilty to begin with.

maxlin 2y ago
In his promise Trump said exactly "I will commute the sentence of ... " I don't know the differences but also from my perspective they don't seem to differ that much. Might as well be that Trump said "yeah and pardon that guy Ulbricht ... " while doing tons of other stuff wielding his new powers like he's doing now and his word was taken exact, given there's little difference
- Thorrez 2y ago
  I guess he promised to commute his sentence, then later changed his mind to pardon him: >I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbricht to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous! https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113869112741612092 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1138691127416...
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HWR_14 2y ago

A pardon is not used when you think the crime occurred but the punishment is too harsh. That's a commutation (which the president also has the power to do). It can replace the punishment with a lighter one or none at all. A pardon is used when you want to erase the criminal record on top of that.

porbelm 2y ago
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