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I had the same confusion initially, interestingly chat GPT gets it: So while wolfgang42 wasn't there when Ulbricht was actually arrested, their realization cre
by Satam 2y ago
I had the same confusion initially, interestingly chat GPT gets it:
So while wolfgang42 wasn't there when Ulbricht was actually arrested, their realization created a vivid mental image of the event unfolding in that space, which made the story feel more immersive.
In short: they were reading about an old event, but it happened to occur in the same spot they were sitting at that moment. Hope that clears it up!
- blooalien 2y agoOkay, that's actually pretty wild. I totally misunderstood too, but the response from the "AI" does indeed "clear it up" for me. A bit surprised actually, but then again, I suppose I shouldn't be, since language is what those "large language models" are all about after all... :)
- babkayaga 2y agoIndeed. But their is something surprising here, however. people like chomsky would present examples like this for decades as untracktable by any algorithm, and as a proof that language is a uniquely human thing. they went as far as to claim that humans have a special language organ, somewhere in their brain perhaps. turns out, a formula exists, it is just very very large.
- TuringTest 2y ago> chomsky would present examples like this for decades as untracktable by any algorithm, and as a proof that language is a uniquely human thing Generatove AI has all but solved the Frame Problem. Those expressions where intractable bc of the impossibility to represent in logic all the background knowledge that is required to understand the context. It turns out, it is possible to represent all that knowledge in compressed form, with statistical summarisation applied to humongous amounts of data and processing power, unimaginable back then; this puts the knowledge in reach of the algorithm processing the sentence, which is thus capable of understanding the context.
- erehweb 2y agoHuge amounts of data and processing power are arguably the foundation for the "Chinese room" thought experiment.
- dambi0 2y agoI don’t think I understand this entirely. The point of the thought experiment is to assume the possibility of the room and consider the consequences. How it might be achievable in practice doesn’t alter this
- erehweb 2y agoThe room is possible because there's someone inside with a big list of rules of what Chinese characters to reply with. This represents the huge amount of data processing and statistical power. When the thought expt was created, you could argue that the room was impossible, so the experiment was meaningless. But that's no longer the case.
- dambi0 2y agoif you go and s/Chinese Room/LLM against any of the counter arguments to the thought experiment how many of them does it invalidate?
- erehweb 2y agoI'm not sure I'm following you. My comment re Chinese room was that parent said the data processing we now have was unimaginable back in the day. In fact, it was imaginable - the Chinese room imagined it.
- dambi0 2y agoI was responding to the point that the thought experiment was meaningless.
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- TeMPOraL 2y ago> their realization created a vivid mental image of the event unfolding in that space, which made the story feel more immersive. Glad that ChatGPT, probably like GP themselves, is a visualizer and actually can create a "vivid mental image" of something. For those of us with aphantasia, that is not a thing. Myself, I too was mighty confused by the text, which read literally like a time travel story, and was only missing a cat and tomorrow's newspaper.
- dambi0 2y agoIsn’t it at least equally likely that one would be more prone to confusion if one was a visual thinker? I don’t think we can infer anythin about how LLMs think based on this.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoRight. I'm not claiming the LLM has visual imagination - I suspect that OP has it, and that ChatGPT was trained on enough text from visual thinkers implicitly conveying their experience of the world, that it's now able to correctly interpret writing like that of OP's.
- Sophira 2y agoAs a visual thinker myself, I was also confused by how the story was presented. ChatGPT did better than me.
- Applejinx 2y agoYou could also say that ChatGPT erred similarly to the original writer, who was unclear and misleading about events. We needn't act like they share some grand enlightenment. It's just not well expressed. ChatGPT's output is also frequently not well expressed and not well thought out.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoThere's many more ways to err than to get something right. ChatGPT getting OP right where many people here didn't tells us it's more likely that there is a particular style of writing/thinking that is not obvious to everyone, but ChatGPT can identify and understand, rather than just both OP and ChatGPT accidentally making exactly the same error.
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