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I'm indifferent to him being pardoned. But people saying he didn't deserve any punishment seems weird to me.

by sidcool 2y ago

blast 2y ago
To me too. But life without parole seemed weird as well.
- sophacles 2y ago
  That's why commutation is a thing. The courts have ruled this as within the pardon powers. His sentence could be changed to reflect something much more aligned with other convictions for the same crimes.
  - dmix 2y ago
    Commutation is not considered during sentencing or mandatory minimums or anything like that. It's only an option for very popular cases and even then it's rare.
    - kortilla 2y ago
      No, op is saying Trump could have commuted the sentence rather than wiping the whole thing out
      - Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago
        A presidential pardon doesn't "Wipe anything out". It's still on your record. It's not expunged
        kortilla 2y ago
        It’s not expunged but you have a letter from the president saying you shouldn’t have been convicted in the first place. The meaning is different even thought the legal outcomes are the same. https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-jan-6-pardons-commuted-rcna188630 https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-bl... A president will still commute when they think you did do something wrong but were unjustly punished.
- sidcool 2y ago
  Yeah. That was harsh, I agree.
- osrec 2y ago
  To me what is weird is the "complete" pardon from a president that is supposedly going after immigrant drug dealers and murderers. Basically, if you've done something wrong, but can drum up enough support for the winning political candidate, you get a chance to cut a deal and wipe the slate clean. To those that say he's rehabilitated etc, I'm sure there were other worthy prisoners too, but why does this particular guy happen to get the pardon on day one?! Same with the pardoned capitol rioters. It just feels like a very slippery downwards slope, where political back scratching trumps everything else.
  - gosub100 2y ago
    Ross founded a nonviolent way to sell drugs that competes with the narco traffickers responsible for millions (?) of deaths.
    - osrec 2y ago
      He did also try to get someone killed. It didn't happen, but can you see how the non violent guy was slowly turning to violence too? I'm sure the initial narco kingpins were nice, non-violent people too, but rarely do the people involved with supplying drugs stay that way - regardless of whether you're Pablo Escobar or just some kid peddling weed in a sleepy village in the south of France.
      - jeffhuys 2y ago
        > rarely do the people involved with supplying drugs stay that way I'm really intrigued how people can say these things like they're facts. That's really happening a lot more nowadays. It's an opinion you have. Or am I wrong, and do you have a source or personal account of some kid in a sleepy village in the south of france? Or could it be that the people who DO stay that way don't reach the media, because they DO stay that way?
        osrec 2y ago
        It's something I've observed personally. One example that stands out: I was playing pool in a quiet bar in a sleepy village. The next thing I know, a sixteen year old walks in and attacks another 16 year old. They are at each others throats, smashing cues on each other and throwing pool balls at each other. They are absolutely battered and bleeding by the end of it. One of the kids was the barman's son. As they finish their fight and are dragged out, another barman says to me "there's no need for that in here" and adds "you know what it's all about - who owed who money for drugs". Just one example, but I've seen it a few times.
- ezee 2y ago
  It's weird he received a full pardon from the president that is on record saying drug dealers should get the death penalty.
Aurornis 2y ago
It’s always interesting to see how he’s become a folk hero to some people who can do a lot of mental gymnastics to downplay the fact that he tried to hire a hitman to kill people. It’s weird to read all of the comments trying to discount the attempted murder because it didn’t actually happen.
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  Weren't the people he tried to kill his collaborators? That kinda puts it in a nothingburger in my book.
  - MacsHeadroom 2y ago
    The people he "tried to kill" were fabrications of two FBI agents in an entrapment scheme who both ended up in prison shortly after Ross.
ReptileMan 2y ago
He served 12 years. Feels about right for the crimes he committed. Depending on your political association feel free to put quotation marks somewhere in the previous sentence.
npteljes 2y ago
Me too. 12 years seems like enough, especially considering the sentence lengths other people get. If he tries again, they can catch him again. But running an illegal marketplace with clearly allowing whatever goes, and not receiving any punishment for it? That is wild.

I'm indifferent to him being pardoned. But people saying he didn't deserve any punishment seems weird to me.

blast 2y ago

To me too. But life without parole seemed weird as well.

sophacles 2y ago
That's why commutation is a thing. The courts have ruled this as within the pardon powers. His sentence could be changed to reflect something much more aligned with other convictions for the same crimes.
- dmix 2y ago
  Commutation is not considered during sentencing or mandatory minimums or anything like that. It's only an option for very popular cases and even then it's rare.
  - kortilla 2y ago
    No, op is saying Trump could have commuted the sentence rather than wiping the whole thing out
    - Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago
      A presidential pardon doesn't "Wipe anything out". It's still on your record. It's not expunged
      - kortilla 2y ago
        It’s not expunged but you have a letter from the president saying you shouldn’t have been convicted in the first place. The meaning is different even thought the legal outcomes are the same. https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-jan-6-pardons-commuted-rcna188630 https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-bl... A president will still commute when they think you did do something wrong but were unjustly punished.
sidcool 2y ago
Yeah. That was harsh, I agree.
osrec 2y ago
To me what is weird is the "complete" pardon from a president that is supposedly going after immigrant drug dealers and murderers. Basically, if you've done something wrong, but can drum up enough support for the winning political candidate, you get a chance to cut a deal and wipe the slate clean. To those that say he's rehabilitated etc, I'm sure there were other worthy prisoners too, but why does this particular guy happen to get the pardon on day one?! Same with the pardoned capitol rioters. It just feels like a very slippery downwards slope, where political back scratching trumps everything else.
- gosub100 2y ago
  Ross founded a nonviolent way to sell drugs that competes with the narco traffickers responsible for millions (?) of deaths.
  - osrec 2y ago
    He did also try to get someone killed. It didn't happen, but can you see how the non violent guy was slowly turning to violence too? I'm sure the initial narco kingpins were nice, non-violent people too, but rarely do the people involved with supplying drugs stay that way - regardless of whether you're Pablo Escobar or just some kid peddling weed in a sleepy village in the south of France.
    - jeffhuys 2y ago
      > rarely do the people involved with supplying drugs stay that way I'm really intrigued how people can say these things like they're facts. That's really happening a lot more nowadays. It's an opinion you have. Or am I wrong, and do you have a source or personal account of some kid in a sleepy village in the south of france? Or could it be that the people who DO stay that way don't reach the media, because they DO stay that way?
      - osrec 2y ago
        It's something I've observed personally. One example that stands out: I was playing pool in a quiet bar in a sleepy village. The next thing I know, a sixteen year old walks in and attacks another 16 year old. They are at each others throats, smashing cues on each other and throwing pool balls at each other. They are absolutely battered and bleeding by the end of it. One of the kids was the barman's son. As they finish their fight and are dragged out, another barman says to me "there's no need for that in here" and adds "you know what it's all about - who owed who money for drugs". Just one example, but I've seen it a few times.
ezee 2y ago
It's weird he received a full pardon from the president that is on record saying drug dealers should get the death penalty.

Aurornis 2y ago

It’s always interesting to see how he’s become a folk hero to some people who can do a lot of mental gymnastics to downplay the fact that he tried to hire a hitman to kill people. It’s weird to read all of the comments trying to discount the attempted murder because it didn’t actually happen.

ReptileMan 2y ago
Weren't the people he tried to kill his collaborators? That kinda puts it in a nothingburger in my book.
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  The people he "tried to kill" were fabrications of two FBI agents in an entrapment scheme who both ended up in prison shortly after Ross.

ReptileMan 2y ago

He served 12 years. Feels about right for the crimes he committed. Depending on your political association feel free to put quotation marks somewhere in the previous sentence.

npteljes 2y ago

Me too. 12 years seems like enough, especially considering the sentence lengths other people get. If he tries again, they can catch him again. But running an illegal marketplace with clearly allowing whatever goes, and not receiving any punishment for it? That is wild.