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Genuine question: Of all the people to pardon, why him?
by bb88 2y ago
Genuine question: Of all the people to pardon, why him?
- duxup 2y ago[flagged]
- bb88 2y agoWhy now, and not 4 years from now when Trump is about to leave office? How do republicans in Idaho (who don't even have medical marijuana on the books), defend Trump pardoning someone convicted of drug trafficking?
- duxup 2y agoWhy not now? Trump isn't up for re-election. It's his act alone. He promised in the election to pardon other criminals and it didn't hurt him.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago[flagged]
- duxup 2y agoWell even if he bet on going that route he wouldn't have to be "elected", and my last line applies none the less, it didn't hurt him during an actual election.
- plagiarist 2y agoYes. Except, "neutralize?" I don't know why the federal government would bother with the pretense of a 22nd Amendment when they demonstrably do not care in the slightest about the 14th or most of the Bill of Rights.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago[flagged]
- blindriver 2y agoHe promised the Libertarians he would and he's holding true to his word. Say what you will but at least he's fulfilling his campaign promises.
- mmooss 2y agoWhat about his campaign promise for law and order?
- bb88 2y agoTrump's Law, not you know, the people's law.
- talldayo 2y agoHe promised international canvassers that we'd have peace in Ukraine on his first day in office. Whatever he arranged with druggie libertarians is chopped liver from a policy perspective. On the international stage it's the dictionary definition of a nothingburger.
- mmooss 2y agoThat argument isn't contrary to the GP comment: It's very possible Trump is offered a benefit now that he wasn't offered in 2020. You could ask the same of any deal: Why not instead of years ago? Because the deal wasn't available years ago.
- floydnoel 2y agoas somebody with family members who are "republicans in idaho" they mostly won’t care. many if not most republican idahoans think you should be able to own machine guns and do whatever you want without hurting others. the mormon ones would be the most likely that would object, but even plenty of the republican/libertarian mormons i know are happy to have the massive government overreach corrected.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago> The Trump admin was already selling pardons at the end of their last term, why wouldn't they continue doing so? Substantiating my obliterated sibling comment: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-accused-offering-sell-trump-pardons-2-million-new-lawsuit-rcna84569 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-accu...
- timewizard 2y agoYou believe there are "selfless politicians" operating in America right now?
- duxup 2y agoI believe there's a wide range of choices and behaviors and any poor choice is not equivalent to all poor choices.
- timewizard 2y agoAh, so when challenged, you immediately acknowledge there is a spectrum and not a black and white picture. That makes for a poor thread.
- duxup 2y agoI don't know what you mean.
- bb88 2y agoI honestly kinda think that first degree murder is similar to other first degree murders. But that's just me.
- jedberg 2y agoYes. I think many of them are. The harassment and constant criticism isn't worth it unless you really care about the people you serve in most cases. It's pretty obvious which ones are doing it for themselves.
- GasVeteran 2y ago[dead]
- hilux 2y agoAccording to Trump, he is doing this to get libertarian support.
- macinjosh 2y agoTrump promised to do this at the Libertarian Party convention. This case is very important to the libertarian crowd. He is a martyr for many of their ideals. After Trump was so well received at the convention the LP, recently taken over by the right faction of the party, put forth a candidate specifically chosen to not get votes so that members would vote for Trump. Trump seems to be a man of his word.
- bb88 2y agoVoters wanted a better economy first, not pardons for drug traffickers and violent offenders. This could have waited until after the midterms.
- macinjosh 2y agoIt was one signature? Doesn't seem like a big time sink. Many of these early actions were prepared prior to inauguration.
- bb88 2y agoIn war, you point your biggest gun at the enemy. You don't shoot yourself in the foot.
- mattpope 2y agoIt seems like the voters that were being referred to value restoring rights. How can something immediately achievable be balanced with "the economy", a thing so broad and deeply systemic?
- bb88 2y agoThe people in Pennsylvania who elected him, didn't want this.
- mattpope 2y agoIt isn't clear from your original statement that those voters aren't from Pennsylvania. I interpret your statement as discounting the weight of their vote on actions they care about. There are many perspectives, and the values of those who did vote in that direction are being addressed in some way.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoPresumably musk pushed for it. Not sure who else in/near the administration would even have him on their radar
- Havoc 2y agoMusk is definitely a fan recreationally chemistry
- xigency 2y agoThe clips of him rolling his eyes and head around in boredom at the inauguration definitely looked like he was suffering from some kind of withdrawal symptoms.
- tomhoward 2y agoIt’s been a campaign of Mike Cernovich’s for a long time.
- arrowsmith 2y agoAnd Trump cares what Mike Cernovich thinks because.... ?
- mplewis 2y ago[flagged]
- freddi333 2y agoTrump promised it when he attended the libertarian convention
- silisili 2y agoWhether or not he was the sole or even primary reason, he knew about it beforehand as seen by his tweet last night saying it was coming soon. Love him or hate him, it's a bit concerning that he has that level of access IMO. The tweet: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1881524296386031892 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1881524296386031892
- ty6853 2y agoWhat do you mean? Trump just pardoned or commuted pretty much all of the J6 crowd. One guy convicted of crimes that don't require proving violence beyond a reasonable doubt is pretty tame in comparison. He is one of thousands.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- bb88 2y agoWhat? All crimes were proved beyond a reasonable doubt according to a jury of our peers. (Or they plead guilty).
- ty6853 2y agoThe violent element was not proven for Ross. The judge decided on preponderance of evidence he hired the hit man, and sentenced him as if he did.
- bb88 2y agoUlbricht was convicted of crimes by a jury of his peers though. There are no mandatory maximums in sentencing guidelines. Just mandatory minimums.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoTrump know the Jan 6 rioters and supported them. Pardoning is important to justify his claim that nobody did anything wrong as that the election was "stolen by the Dems". I can't imagine he would have known Ross Ulbricht's case.
- beeflet 2y agobecause it was a promise he made to the libertarian camp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ofi6U0eWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ofi6U0eWE
- orblivion 2y agoHe upgraded from commutation to pardon, I wonder about what happened there.
- bb88 2y ago[flagged]
- beeflet 2y agoit would be visible on-chain, so if you notice something weird you can take a look and point it out to us.
- bustling-noose 2y agoIt might be visible. Just not a large amount from one account to another. Thats not how laundering works and definitely not how trades work that are supposed to go unnoticed.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- Spooky23 2y agoThey seem to be pandering to the more libertarian tech community. This guy appeals to that and to the more radical maga types who want a revolution. I’m sure we’ll see more. The Biden DOJs bungling of the insurrection, turning a jail into a martyrs club, slow rolling prosecutions, etc is ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy.
- cbsmith 2y ago> The Biden DOJs bungling of the insurrection, turning a jail into a martyrs club, slow rolling prosecutions, etc is ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy. I'd argue promoting that narrative was ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy.
- SamPatt 2y agoIt's because of his mother Lyn. She was a tireless advocate for his release from the start, and it became a part of the libertarian cause to see him released. It worked. Trump courted the libertarian vote, and this was his most popular promise to them. She's an inspiring woman. I'm so glad she lived to see this.
- xwolfi 2y agoTrump explains it eloquently: "The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me," Trump said in his post online on Tuesday evening. "He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!"