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Trump went around to a huge number of niche communities and promised to fix their core concerns in exchange for their support. The crypto and libertarian commun

by _yb2s 2y ago

Trump went around to a huge number of niche communities and promised to fix their core concerns in exchange for their support. The crypto and libertarian communities are obsessed with freeing Ulbricht. It was honestly a brilliant strategy, and probably the reason he won. Ironic that an authoritarian fascist was able to get elected by enlisting the help of anti-authoritarian communities with a single issue promise.

llamaimperative 2y ago
> Ironic that an authoritarian fascist was able to get elected by enlisting the help of anti-authoritarian communities with a single issue promise. Ironic? It's the oldest trick in the book bro
awnird 2y ago
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- bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
  In 2016 John McAffee tried to run for president as a libertarian candidate, RIP.
  - awnird 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
      I know he was a drug addict, but a pedophile? I never heard about that, can you tell me more or are you just being weird?
    - _yb2s 2y ago
      What is the age of consent for whales?
      - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
        Lol, that tweet I remember!
    - bigstrat2003 2y ago
      > Unfortunately my previous comment was flagged, presumably by pedophiles or their supporters. Or, you know... people who think it's a dick move to call an entire political movement pedophiles without a shred of evidence.
exoverito 2y ago
Unfortunately you could level the same type of name calling towards Democrats. It's now public record they colluded with all the major media outlets, coerced big tech to censor and debank opponents, imprisoned whistleblowers, violated bodily autonomy with unconstitutional mandates, weaponized the courts to conduct lawfare, and now issued an unprecedented number of pre-emptive pardons for unspecified crimes committed by Fauci, Hunter Biden, et al. I remember when the Democrats were the anti-war party, but Biden was escalating the Ukraine war in the final days of his presidency, and celebrated Dick Cheney's endorsement of Kamala Harris. Crazy how things have changed so much. The left unanimously viewed Bush and Cheney as obviously psychopathic war criminals, and now almost all the Neocons have jumped over to the Democrats. The left used to be extremely skeptical of globalization as evident by the Seattle WTO Protests, mass immigration as evident by Bernie Sanders' comments on its effect on workers' wages, and Big Pharma's perverse incentives to keep people sick and regularly consuming drugs. Yet the media has utterly psyop'd the progressives... it's kinda disturbing.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  Authoritarianism is also popular with the democrats right now, but I don’t see how anything I said is name calling: I used terms with a specific meaning appropriate for the context- the only reason they have a negative connotation is because of what they actually mean. Do you know of other terms with the same meaning and more neutral connotations?
  - exoverito 2y ago
    If you go by Trump's actions in his first term he was a pretty standard Republican, and mostly just cut taxes, with a lot of wild rhetoric which is part of his deal making shtick. In real terms I don't see Trump as uniquely authoritarian, probably less so than Biden, Obama and Bush. He seems to support free speech far more, which is the foundation for all other freedoms. He makes his money from the leisure industry, so his interests are aligned with Americans doing well and having disposable income. And he supports decentralization, so liberal states can adopt liberal policies, and so forth. It seems people forget about the insane infringements of civil rights through the Patriot Act, NDAA, mass surveillance, lockdowns, firing people over vaccine mandates, etc. A poll showed about half of Democrats supported putting Americans into camps if they didn't take the vaccine, and a third supported seizing custody of their children. Democrats supported mass censorship and state control over media, which is far more authoritarian and fascist than anything the Republicans were doing.
GasVeteran 2y ago
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Spooky23 2y ago
It’s not ironic at all. The MAGA movement is really similar to how Mussolini came to power. The campaign against barbarians (Steve Miller’s) crusade, Elons “not enough white babies” stuff, sucking up to the church (Vatican City is a Mussolini scheme), aspirations for conquest of Greenland and Panama, etc are all analogous to the maga playbook. Most people are clueless. There are idiots who think they are getting $1 eggs next week. Riling up weirdos like libertarians lets the movement punch above their weight.
- popcalc 2y ago
  >$1 eggs next week Should just move to Belarus and you can have that today.
- 2024user 2y ago
  Why are libertarians weridos?
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    Go talk to one.
    - 2024user 2y ago
      I don't think I know one or will come across one.
      - _yb2s 2y ago
        'Left-libertarianism' and 'classical liberalism' as a philosophy (not as a party affiliation) are arguably the dominant perspectives on HN. You've been on here for more than a year, you've been talking to them the entire time. However, most of them wouldn't ever use the term libertarian, for not wanting to be associated with right wing libertarians.
npteljes 2y ago
>Trump went around to a huge number of niche communities and promised to fix their core concerns in exchange for their support Very interesting insight, thank you for sharing it. Do you happen to know other examples as well?
- _yb2s 2y ago
  There were a few articles on this in the media a day or two after the election that had lists in them, but I can't find them anymore because this new news overwhelmed the search terms I remember. Many of the promises were directly conflicting, and/or upsetting to other groups that also had promises made to them. One example would be he promised some groups to push for the death penalty for anyone involved in selling drugs, in conflict with his pardon of Ulbricht here.
  - npteljes 2y ago
    Wouldn't surprise me the slightest. Politicians' promises are weak signals to begin with, and we're talking about a politician here who's explicitly labeled as populist. I found a similar inability with search.

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llamaimperative 2y ago

> Ironic that an authoritarian fascist was able to get elected by enlisting the help of anti-authoritarian communities with a single issue promise. Ironic? It's the oldest trick in the book bro

awnird 2y ago

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bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
In 2016 John McAffee tried to run for president as a libertarian candidate, RIP.
- awnird 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
    I know he was a drug addict, but a pedophile? I never heard about that, can you tell me more or are you just being weird?
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    What is the age of consent for whales?
    - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
      Lol, that tweet I remember!
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    > Unfortunately my previous comment was flagged, presumably by pedophiles or their supporters. Or, you know... people who think it's a dick move to call an entire political movement pedophiles without a shred of evidence.

exoverito 2y ago

Unfortunately you could level the same type of name calling towards Democrats. It's now public record they colluded with all the major media outlets, coerced big tech to censor and debank opponents, imprisoned whistleblowers, violated bodily autonomy with unconstitutional mandates, weaponized the courts to conduct lawfare, and now issued an unprecedented number of pre-emptive pardons for unspecified crimes committed by Fauci, Hunter Biden, et al. I remember when the Democrats were the anti-war party, but Biden was escalating the Ukraine war in the final days of his presidency, and celebrated Dick Cheney's endorsement of Kamala Harris. Crazy how things have changed so much. The left unanimously viewed Bush and Cheney as obviously psychopathic war criminals, and now almost all the Neocons have jumped over to the Democrats. The left used to be extremely skeptical of globalization as evident by the Seattle WTO Protests, mass immigration as evident by Bernie Sanders' comments on its effect on workers' wages, and Big Pharma's perverse incentives to keep people sick and regularly consuming drugs. Yet the media has utterly psyop'd the progressives... it's kinda disturbing.

_yb2s 2y ago
Authoritarianism is also popular with the democrats right now, but I don’t see how anything I said is name calling: I used terms with a specific meaning appropriate for the context- the only reason they have a negative connotation is because of what they actually mean. Do you know of other terms with the same meaning and more neutral connotations?
- exoverito 2y ago
  If you go by Trump's actions in his first term he was a pretty standard Republican, and mostly just cut taxes, with a lot of wild rhetoric which is part of his deal making shtick. In real terms I don't see Trump as uniquely authoritarian, probably less so than Biden, Obama and Bush. He seems to support free speech far more, which is the foundation for all other freedoms. He makes his money from the leisure industry, so his interests are aligned with Americans doing well and having disposable income. And he supports decentralization, so liberal states can adopt liberal policies, and so forth. It seems people forget about the insane infringements of civil rights through the Patriot Act, NDAA, mass surveillance, lockdowns, firing people over vaccine mandates, etc. A poll showed about half of Democrats supported putting Americans into camps if they didn't take the vaccine, and a third supported seizing custody of their children. Democrats supported mass censorship and state control over media, which is far more authoritarian and fascist than anything the Republicans were doing.

GasVeteran 2y ago

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Spooky23 2y ago

It’s not ironic at all. The MAGA movement is really similar to how Mussolini came to power. The campaign against barbarians (Steve Miller’s) crusade, Elons “not enough white babies” stuff, sucking up to the church (Vatican City is a Mussolini scheme), aspirations for conquest of Greenland and Panama, etc are all analogous to the maga playbook. Most people are clueless. There are idiots who think they are getting $1 eggs next week. Riling up weirdos like libertarians lets the movement punch above their weight.

popcalc 2y ago
>$1 eggs next week Should just move to Belarus and you can have that today.
2024user 2y ago
Why are libertarians weridos?
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Go talk to one.
  - 2024user 2y ago
    I don't think I know one or will come across one.
    - _yb2s 2y ago
      'Left-libertarianism' and 'classical liberalism' as a philosophy (not as a party affiliation) are arguably the dominant perspectives on HN. You've been on here for more than a year, you've been talking to them the entire time. However, most of them wouldn't ever use the term libertarian, for not wanting to be associated with right wing libertarians.

npteljes 2y ago

>Trump went around to a huge number of niche communities and promised to fix their core concerns in exchange for their support Very interesting insight, thank you for sharing it. Do you happen to know other examples as well?

_yb2s 2y ago
There were a few articles on this in the media a day or two after the election that had lists in them, but I can't find them anymore because this new news overwhelmed the search terms I remember. Many of the promises were directly conflicting, and/or upsetting to other groups that also had promises made to them. One example would be he promised some groups to push for the death penalty for anyone involved in selling drugs, in conflict with his pardon of Ulbricht here.
- npteljes 2y ago
  Wouldn't surprise me the slightest. Politicians' promises are weak signals to begin with, and we're talking about a politician here who's explicitly labeled as populist. I found a similar inability with search.