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The platform/infra distinction applies here. Remember that pre-cloud there was a short lived category called "application service providers" that would offer so

The platform/infra distinction applies here. Remember that pre-cloud there was a short lived category called "application service providers" that would offer some app for you to use. Salesforce used to aggressively advertise "no more software!" and over on the IT side of the house people like Citrix were simulating multi-user NT with GUI terminal services. Plus the whole conversation around TCO and how thin clients might be the way forward. All that was solving a (local) infrastructure problem. Cloud moved the infra to someone else's data center but it did not take long before they started allowing anyone to consume the back end services as a platform. (My pet theory is that S3 is the most industry-changing software written in the last 30 years...) Today, people are locked into the platform. I can't move from X to Y because my business is welded to AWS S3, Lambda or Azure Kubernetes or whatever.

ghaff 2y ago
ASPs essentially got reimagined as SaaS by, most visibly, Salesforce early on. They weren't the only example at the time but they were the ones on stage at every remotely relevant conference. And, yes, there were hopes for portability early on even though it was clear that the cloud providers weren't much interested and it became harder as services became more complex. There are some glimmers of portability--such as using my former employer's OpenShift for Kubernetes--but single-pane-of-glass management and API translations between cloud providers never really panned out.
- kjellsbells 2y ago
  I worked with IBM at one time, who were convinced that they could build a real time workload arbitrage system, whereby loads could instantly move from one cloud to another based on spot price rates offered by cloud providers. Nice idea that quickly ran into the reality of platform stickiness (and sweet reserved-instance pricing).
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Yeah. In my prior analyst stint, there was a lot of automagical cloudbursting talk (and migration between clouds quickly based on pricing). In addition to the platform stickiness you mention, there was the matter of, as Scotty would have said: You canna change the laws of physics.

ghaff 2y ago

ASPs essentially got reimagined as SaaS by, most visibly, Salesforce early on. They weren't the only example at the time but they were the ones on stage at every remotely relevant conference. And, yes, there were hopes for portability early on even though it was clear that the cloud providers weren't much interested and it became harder as services became more complex. There are some glimmers of portability--such as using my former employer's OpenShift for Kubernetes--but single-pane-of-glass management and API translations between cloud providers never really panned out.

kjellsbells 2y ago
I worked with IBM at one time, who were convinced that they could build a real time workload arbitrage system, whereby loads could instantly move from one cloud to another based on spot price rates offered by cloud providers. Nice idea that quickly ran into the reality of platform stickiness (and sweet reserved-instance pricing).
- ghaff 2y ago
  Yeah. In my prior analyst stint, there was a lot of automagical cloudbursting talk (and migration between clouds quickly based on pricing). In addition to the platform stickiness you mention, there was the matter of, as Scotty would have said: You canna change the laws of physics.