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This is starting to remind me of the discourse around the made up mathmatics in Isaac Asimov's Foundation called psychohistory. People are starting to have near
by izzydata 2y ago
This is starting to remind me of the discourse around the made up mathmatics in Isaac Asimov's Foundation called psychohistory. People are starting to have near religious like beliefs for and against large language models because of its very difficult to comprehend nature.
It is not artificial intelligence and it is not generating truth or any such human concept. It is still just math.
- ndileas 2y agoI agree with you, but I feel compelled to point out that math regularly generates truth.
- verdverm 2y agoMath also generates far more unprovables, thus is it dominated by faith based undertones?
- mystified5016 2y agoFrom another perspective, what you describe as mathematical truth is actually just a proof of a self-consistent mathematical model. Mathematical truth usually doesn't extend further than the page it's written on. We can show that our mathematical models are internally self-consistent and match observed reality. These models describe the reality we observe, but not are inherently linked to the true nature of reality. Most of the time, new observations invalidate models we previously considered "true".
- ndileas 2y agoI think you're thinking of far more complexity than I am. I'm thinking of common applied math - accounting, weights and measures, carpentry. These things still have the reality correspondence problem, but truth isn't necessarily absolute. If I measure a cup of milk, I can safely treat it as a cup of milk regardless of the number of molecules in it. That's a kind of truth. Utility/ matching observed reality ought to be enough truth for anyone. As we get better and better at observing, the models will change, and that's good.
- datavirtue 2y agoIn it's domain.