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Show HN: Hold yourself accountable for gym visits with a $10 stake

10 points by paul_brook 2y ago

I don't go to the gym as much as I should or want to. To give myself some financial motivation I made this website. First you set a goal for how many days you'll hit the gym. To prove you're at the gym, you will verify each visit by pressing a button on your phone (with location sharing on). You stake $10 as motivation and if you hit your target, you get the money back. If you fail, your $10 goes to the "Save The Children" charity with a donation receipt emailed to you. Obviously you could visit the gym and then just go home without working out - but getting to the gym is half the battle! It's simple to use with a Google sign-in and hopefully it will encourage some people to workout (or give to charity)!

marssaxman 2y ago
Interesting idea, but the number is too small; getting out of having to go to the gym for only $10 sounds like a great deal.
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Haha I take your point. I was originally going to make it so that you could choose your own amount, but I decided to keep it simple for version 1. If people are interested in using it of course, I will let people stake what they like :)
- rob74 2y ago
  So, on top of paying for a gym membership and not using it, you're paying an additional $10 for each time you should go but don't, and it's... still a good deal?
  - marssaxman 2y ago
    But of course! Since when are human beings perfectly self-consistent? The part of me who wants to sign up for a gym membership is concerned with long-term planning, and thinks it would be a good idea to remain healthy into older age; the part of me who actually has to go to the gym, here and now, feels far more concerned about the fact that working out sucks, and would very much rather do just about anything else.
  - paul_brook 2y ago
    Just to be clear, it's not necessarily $10 each time you don't go. You set yourself a target like "4 times this week" or "10 times this month" and it's when you fail to hit your own target that you lose the money.
- kzrdude 2y ago
  That reminds me of a fallacy that was described somewhere (is it in freakonomics?). A daycare place wanted parents to not be late for pickup so they instituted a small fine ($5-10) if you pick up late. The result was: more late pickups, because it now had a price, the perception changed to make it less shameful and more like the price of a service.
  - paul_brook 2y ago
    Interesting. That definitely makes sense.
    - kzrdude 2y ago
      I think it's relevant but do with it what you will :) good luck with your thing
- delichon 2y ago
  Then pay it to the election campaign of <politician you loathe>.
  - Volundr 2y ago
    It took me a minute to work through why I hated this so much. What it comes down to is that <politician I loathe> is actively doing harm. Even if you don't believe that it's essentially gamifying something that has very real consequences for a lot of people. Helping <politician I loathe> doesn't just affect me. It's a punishment for everyone. Personally I wonder why these always involve sending money somewhere. Why not just automatically post to your socials "I skipped the gym today". Far more motivating to me than a cup of coffee.
pythonguython 2y ago
If the money went to a bad cause instead of a good cause, the incentive to go to the gym would be higher
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Haha yeah I thought about this. But I guess everyone has a different idea about a bad cause. But yes a next version of this would let you select from a few different organisations.
- Dromadie 2y ago
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- roncesvalles 2y ago
  Church of Scientology is the worst I could think of. Anyone have better (worse)?
spondyl 2y ago
The idea is great and is essentially the same premise as Beeminder (no relation, just a user) Instead of pledging an amount up front, you instead provide card details and get charged if you miss your goal. Once you miss the goal, the pledge multiplies exponentially until you're sufficiently incentivised to do whatever the goal is. They sound wacky at first but motivation devices are pretty effective, assuming you trust yourself to not game them of course.
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Interesting, I'll check it out thank you.
sshine 2y ago
My gym already provides this services: The late/no-show fee for classes is $5.
joshmit 2y ago
Forfeit (YC W23) (https://www.forfeit.app https://www.forfeit.app) is a similar one!
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Ah thank you.

10 points by paul_brook 2y ago

marssaxman 2y ago

Interesting idea, but the number is too small; getting out of having to go to the gym for only $10 sounds like a great deal.

paul_brook 2y ago
Haha I take your point. I was originally going to make it so that you could choose your own amount, but I decided to keep it simple for version 1. If people are interested in using it of course, I will let people stake what they like :)
rob74 2y ago
So, on top of paying for a gym membership and not using it, you're paying an additional $10 for each time you should go but don't, and it's... still a good deal?
- marssaxman 2y ago
  But of course! Since when are human beings perfectly self-consistent? The part of me who wants to sign up for a gym membership is concerned with long-term planning, and thinks it would be a good idea to remain healthy into older age; the part of me who actually has to go to the gym, here and now, feels far more concerned about the fact that working out sucks, and would very much rather do just about anything else.
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Just to be clear, it's not necessarily $10 each time you don't go. You set yourself a target like "4 times this week" or "10 times this month" and it's when you fail to hit your own target that you lose the money.
kzrdude 2y ago
That reminds me of a fallacy that was described somewhere (is it in freakonomics?). A daycare place wanted parents to not be late for pickup so they instituted a small fine ($5-10) if you pick up late. The result was: more late pickups, because it now had a price, the perception changed to make it less shameful and more like the price of a service.
- paul_brook 2y ago
  Interesting. That definitely makes sense.
  - kzrdude 2y ago
    I think it's relevant but do with it what you will :) good luck with your thing
delichon 2y ago
Then pay it to the election campaign of <politician you loathe>.
- Volundr 2y ago
  It took me a minute to work through why I hated this so much. What it comes down to is that <politician I loathe> is actively doing harm. Even if you don't believe that it's essentially gamifying something that has very real consequences for a lot of people. Helping <politician I loathe> doesn't just affect me. It's a punishment for everyone. Personally I wonder why these always involve sending money somewhere. Why not just automatically post to your socials "I skipped the gym today". Far more motivating to me than a cup of coffee.

pythonguython 2y ago

If the money went to a bad cause instead of a good cause, the incentive to go to the gym would be higher

paul_brook 2y ago
Haha yeah I thought about this. But I guess everyone has a different idea about a bad cause. But yes a next version of this would let you select from a few different organisations.
Dromadie 2y ago
[dead]
roncesvalles 2y ago
Church of Scientology is the worst I could think of. Anyone have better (worse)?

spondyl 2y ago

The idea is great and is essentially the same premise as Beeminder (no relation, just a user) Instead of pledging an amount up front, you instead provide card details and get charged if you miss your goal. Once you miss the goal, the pledge multiplies exponentially until you're sufficiently incentivised to do whatever the goal is. They sound wacky at first but motivation devices are pretty effective, assuming you trust yourself to not game them of course.

paul_brook 2y ago
Interesting, I'll check it out thank you.

sshine 2y ago

My gym already provides this services: The late/no-show fee for classes is $5.

joshmit 2y ago

Forfeit (YC W23) (https://www.forfeit.app https://www.forfeit.app) is a similar one!

paul_brook 2y ago
Ah thank you.