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Facebook is where his community is, and it's good enough for them. Why would anyone move? What possible hope does he have of overcoming the network effect and c
by underdeserver 2y ago
Facebook is where his community is, and it's good enough for them. Why would anyone move? What possible hope does he have of overcoming the network effect and convincing people to move to something they don't know? (And is most likely - for their use case - a worse experience)
- coldpie 2y agoEveryone agrees this is an uphill battle. What I'm saying is that's a boring reason not to do something you believe in.
- talldayo 2y agoThere are a lot of justified, boring reasons to not do something. I despise Facebook, but I'm also not going to waste my time trying to convince my cohorts to use a self-hosted federated alternative. You have to be blindly foolish to even hold out the slightest hope that these people will use an alternative, and I say that as a Mastodon user/apologist.
- coldpie 2y agoOkay.
- horacemorace 2y agoMany of us are insane in this way. Deride us as blind and foolish.
- robertlagrant 2y ago> Everyone agrees this is an uphill battle No, most people don't care about having this battle - that's the point. If there's no demonstrable reason to leave (e.g. "former president got banned from major platform, so go to new platform") then the - valid, if personally boring to you - point is: how will you persuade people to leave it?
- coldpie 2y agoGood question, let's try to answer it. Suppose OP believes they have a serviceable replacement in place. What arguments could they use to convince their communities to switch to it? Here's some ideas: - No ads. - Free, even for business-use. - No algorithm interfering with visibility. - It's usable by community members who do not have a Facebook account, for whatever reason. - Allows for more free-form content. - More choices for content delivery format & notifications (say, email, text message, newsletter links). Maybe you can come up with some. What would you find to be a convincing argument to switch to a community-owned organization platform instead of Facebook?
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- briandear 2y agoWho pays for it?
- lowercased 2y agoI'd suspect the 'free' and 'no ads' would be somewhat mutually exclusive. Perhaps a particular group organizer pays a modest amount - $19/year(?) - to manage/moderate groups up to X000 members.
- pc86 2y agoWhich means it isn't free, it's a charity project paid for by the group organizer(s). That's probably fine in the short term, maybe even longer, but eventually the organizer(s) will move out of the area, or get tired of managing the group, or die, or whatever, and someone will need to manage it. Honestly if it really would just need to cover the price of the cheapest hosting you can find and the domain registration a single small-to-medium Adsense ad in the sidebar might generate enough to cover it. I don't know how many impressions/pageviews it takes to generate $20 but it can't be that many.
- briandear 2y agoIt’s a Quixotic quest. Moving an online community off Facebook isn’t changing the world for the better or worse. It’s inconsequential unless you build an objectively better community. Just switching from Coke to Pepsi isn’t a wasted effort. Focus on zero to one, not zero to another version of zero.
- mmooss 2y agoIt increases privacy (depending on the new platform), and reduces exposure to whatever toxic stuff is on FB.
- bko 2y agoDoing something personally is fine. But trying to convince an entire community to ditch something that works and is likely incredibly valuable to them to stick it to some billionaire you don't like is just wrong.
- Zolomon 2y agoWe all helped our families and loved ones to ditch MSN for Google Talk for Skype for WhatsApp for Discord etc. It might happen again. :)
- darthrupert 2y agoYou're being sarcastic when you're implying that any of those switches were worth it, right?
- spencerflem 2y agoits not wrong - we should all ditch facebook it does seem unlikely to work though, for the reasons you mentioned
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- scarface_74 2y agoIt doesn’t matter what the poster believes. He is doing something for the benefit of a community that doesn’t care about whatever ideological battle he is trying to fight and inconveniencing them in the process