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> On the other hand, I believe in the value of "learning to learn", developing media literacy, and all of the other positives gained when you research and form

> On the other hand, I believe in the value of "learning to learn", developing media literacy, and all of the other positives gained when you research and form conclusions on things independently. That is not going away. Learning better prompts, learning when to ignore AI, learning how to take information and turn it into something practical. These new skills will replace the old. How many of us can still... - Saddle a horse - Tell time without a watch - Sew a shirt - Create fabric to sew a shirt - Hunt with primitive tools - Make fire We can shelter children from AI, or we can teach them how to use it to further themselves. Talk to the Amish if you want to see how it works out when you forgo anything that feels too futuristic. A respectable life, sure. But would any of us reading this choose it?

ziddoap 2y ago
>How many of us can still... <stuff> Yes, this is what I meant by the calculator part of my comment. You've got some other good examples. >learning when to ignore AI, learning how to take information and turn it into something practical. This is what I meant by using LLMs as a tool rather than an end.
- skydhash 2y ago
  How many of us still have to do these things? You either eed to do them or you don’t. If you do, you will learn how or find someone that do. We still need to calculate numbers and I can say it’s silly if I find someone need to get a calculator to do 5x20. Same if you’re taking hours and multiple sheets of paper for something that will take you a few minutes with a calculator. There’s a question of scale and basic understanding that divides the two.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >How many of us still have to do these things? Yep, we agree. That's the whole point of what I said in the first half of my original comment. At one time, they were common skills. Things changed, they aren't common, they aren't really needed (for most people), and everyone is doing just fine without them. We've freed up time and mental capacity for other (hopefully more beneficial) tasks. (I'm confused why this reply and the other above it are are just restating the first part of my original comment, but framing it like it's not a restatement).
    - skydhash 2y ago
      There are things that aren't needed because we have found easier ways to solve the problem they were solving. In contrast, there are things that exists that are only to make the job easier, no to make it go away. You don't need to light a fire because of how house are heated or food are made. But you still need to learn arithmetic to use a calculator. There's a difference between the two. If the goal is to learn, the means don't matter much as long as the right attitude is there. But if one only wish to appear knowledgeable, LLM has indeed make it way easier.

ziddoap 2y ago

>How many of us can still... <stuff> Yes, this is what I meant by the calculator part of my comment. You've got some other good examples. >learning when to ignore AI, learning how to take information and turn it into something practical. This is what I meant by using LLMs as a tool rather than an end.

skydhash 2y ago
How many of us still have to do these things? You either eed to do them or you don’t. If you do, you will learn how or find someone that do. We still need to calculate numbers and I can say it’s silly if I find someone need to get a calculator to do 5x20. Same if you’re taking hours and multiple sheets of paper for something that will take you a few minutes with a calculator. There’s a question of scale and basic understanding that divides the two.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >How many of us still have to do these things? Yep, we agree. That's the whole point of what I said in the first half of my original comment. At one time, they were common skills. Things changed, they aren't common, they aren't really needed (for most people), and everyone is doing just fine without them. We've freed up time and mental capacity for other (hopefully more beneficial) tasks. (I'm confused why this reply and the other above it are are just restating the first part of my original comment, but framing it like it's not a restatement).
  - skydhash 2y ago
    There are things that aren't needed because we have found easier ways to solve the problem they were solving. In contrast, there are things that exists that are only to make the job easier, no to make it go away. You don't need to light a fire because of how house are heated or food are made. But you still need to learn arithmetic to use a calculator. There's a difference between the two. If the goal is to learn, the means don't matter much as long as the right attitude is there. But if one only wish to appear knowledgeable, LLM has indeed make it way easier.