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This is hyperbole. The hardware and software industry has about a million standards that were collectively designed and adopted by the industry. Every single I

This is hyperbole. The hardware and software industry has about a million standards that were collectively designed and adopted by the industry. Every single IETF RFC governing the internet and W3C RFCs governing browser standards for starters - we wouldn't be on this website having this conversation without those. It's completely reasonable to say "multiple competing standards harms consumers with no benefit, come up with a common standard". This is what governments are supposed to do! If there is a single manufacturer not adhering to the standard it is reasonable to tell that manufacturer to comply. Is any reasonable person unhappy that we're all using common chargers for phones now? Nor did this charger regulation seem to have negative consequences. Apple proactively licensed their wireless charging standard tech to the whole industry to get ahead of any legislation. Might not be great for Apple's profits, but I prefer that as a consumer.

kragen 2y ago
It's not hyperbolic in any way. It's a simple, sober, literal explanation of how the Chinese censorship apparatus functions. I have no idea why you're bringing up electrical interface standards; they seem completely irrelevant to questions of civil rights to me. The W3C standards (which are not RFCs) seem barely less irrelevant; we are talking about what viewpoints people are or aren't allowed to hear, and the social processes that determine that, not file format evolution and the priority order of CSS selectors.
- nindalf 2y ago
  I wish I could explain further why your comment was hyperbolic, but your comment is now flagged. Too bad.
  - kragen 2y ago
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    - nindalf 2y ago
      I meant I literally can't see your original comment to critique it because it's been deleted. But now I think even if I could I wouldn't bother. You don't seem like the kind of person who can engage in a discussion. You just want to "win".
      - kragen 2y ago
        To read flagged comments, you have to turn on "showdead" in your HN profile (https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nindalf https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nindalf). I assumed you knew that (you've been using the site for ten years, during which time that hasn't changed), but I see that I was wrong. Your initial comment in this thread accused me of lying. If you want to engage in a discussion (which I take to mean something like "a worthwhile discussion"), that is not a good way to do it—particularly when the accusation is not just unproven but, because it's false, unprovable. Not only does it tend to antagonize the person you're calling a liar, it also tends to undermine the presumption of good faith people might otherwise extend you when you claim to value worthwhile discussion. You claim to think I'm not "the kind of person who can engage in a discussion". But other people greatly value discussions with me on HN. Comments of mine in the last month that people have said were particularly good include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42647719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42647719 ("probably the best comment I have ever seen on HN"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42659693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42659693 ("I really appreciate your replies, they are always insightful"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664233 ("thanks for engaging in a civil manner, really appreciate that"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42665008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42665008 ("That’s an insightful comment"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42593913 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42593913 ("thank you for writing this"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42519070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42519070 ("I know +1's are frowned upon here, but, err, +1?"), and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42518940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42518940 ("Thank you for such a comprehensive response, Kragen! I appreciate it!"). As for "winning", for me, "winning" in a discussion is when I change my mind about something. But of course anyone can say that. Actually doing it is harder. I do it publicly on HN about once every two days, and I specifically write an HN comment saying that I was wrong about something about every four or five days. HN comments of mine in the last month where I learned something I didn't know from the person I was discussing with include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42752181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42752181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42732780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42732780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42749375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42749375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42724650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42724650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42736141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42736141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42627234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42627234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42626245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42626245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42595851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42595851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42565696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42565696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42545903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42545903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42538951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42538951 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42521867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42521867 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42510159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42510159. HN comments of mine in the last month where I've specifically said I was wrong about something include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42712897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42712897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42635772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42635772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42656139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42656139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42523692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42523692 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42507140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42507140. I've just read through the last month of your comments starting from https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nindalf&next=42778626 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nindalf&next=4277862..., 28 comments in all, and have found zero instances of you admitting you were wrong about anything, zero instances of you saying you learned something from the people you were talking to, and zero instances of anyone thanking you for your comment. So I think the ball is kind of in your court to show that you're "the kind of person who can engage in a discussion."
kragen 2y ago
As illustrated in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42795679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42795679, the reason you think it's hyperbolic seems to be that you don't know what the word "hyperbolic" means.
- nindalf 2y ago
  Mate. Get help.

kragen 2y ago

It's not hyperbolic in any way. It's a simple, sober, literal explanation of how the Chinese censorship apparatus functions. I have no idea why you're bringing up electrical interface standards; they seem completely irrelevant to questions of civil rights to me. The W3C standards (which are not RFCs) seem barely less irrelevant; we are talking about what viewpoints people are or aren't allowed to hear, and the social processes that determine that, not file format evolution and the priority order of CSS selectors.

nindalf 2y ago
I wish I could explain further why your comment was hyperbolic, but your comment is now flagged. Too bad.
- kragen 2y ago
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  - nindalf 2y ago
    I meant I literally can't see your original comment to critique it because it's been deleted. But now I think even if I could I wouldn't bother. You don't seem like the kind of person who can engage in a discussion. You just want to "win".
    - kragen 2y ago
      To read flagged comments, you have to turn on "showdead" in your HN profile (https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nindalf https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nindalf). I assumed you knew that (you've been using the site for ten years, during which time that hasn't changed), but I see that I was wrong. Your initial comment in this thread accused me of lying. If you want to engage in a discussion (which I take to mean something like "a worthwhile discussion"), that is not a good way to do it—particularly when the accusation is not just unproven but, because it's false, unprovable. Not only does it tend to antagonize the person you're calling a liar, it also tends to undermine the presumption of good faith people might otherwise extend you when you claim to value worthwhile discussion. You claim to think I'm not "the kind of person who can engage in a discussion". But other people greatly value discussions with me on HN. Comments of mine in the last month that people have said were particularly good include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42647719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42647719 ("probably the best comment I have ever seen on HN"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42659693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42659693 ("I really appreciate your replies, they are always insightful"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664233 ("thanks for engaging in a civil manner, really appreciate that"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42665008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42665008 ("That’s an insightful comment"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42593913 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42593913 ("thank you for writing this"), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42519070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42519070 ("I know +1's are frowned upon here, but, err, +1?"), and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42518940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42518940 ("Thank you for such a comprehensive response, Kragen! I appreciate it!"). As for "winning", for me, "winning" in a discussion is when I change my mind about something. But of course anyone can say that. Actually doing it is harder. I do it publicly on HN about once every two days, and I specifically write an HN comment saying that I was wrong about something about every four or five days. HN comments of mine in the last month where I learned something I didn't know from the person I was discussing with include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42752181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42752181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42732780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42732780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42749375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42749375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42724650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42724650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42736141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42736141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42664274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42627234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42627234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42626245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42626245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42595851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42595851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42565696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42565696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42545903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42545903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42538951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42538951 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42521867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42521867 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42510159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42510159. HN comments of mine in the last month where I've specifically said I was wrong about something include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42712897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42712897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42635772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42635772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42656139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42656139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42598395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42523692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42523692 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42507140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42507140. I've just read through the last month of your comments starting from https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nindalf&next=42778626 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nindalf&next=4277862..., 28 comments in all, and have found zero instances of you admitting you were wrong about anything, zero instances of you saying you learned something from the people you were talking to, and zero instances of anyone thanking you for your comment. So I think the ball is kind of in your court to show that you're "the kind of person who can engage in a discussion."

kragen 2y ago

As illustrated in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42795679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42795679, the reason you think it's hyperbolic seems to be that you don't know what the word "hyperbolic" means.

nindalf 2y ago
Mate. Get help.