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Trump's entire campaign ran on curbing immigration, closing the borders and deportation of illegal immigrants. The one exception to that (the H-1B story) caused

Trump's entire campaign ran on curbing immigration, closing the borders and deportation of illegal immigrants. The one exception to that (the H-1B story) caused a lot of upheaval in his base. Among the many crazy things he said were things like people having to go out and vote for the last time, that he will be a dictator for a day, and calling his political opponents vermin. I'll just mention Project 2025 and his former wife mentioning that he's had a book of Hitler speeches by his bedside in passing. Among the first acts on his first day as president he shuts down an app that helped people immigrate legally. The first swath of Biden era executive orders rescinded[1] includes migration related ones to now loosen and reduce oversight and enable more heavy handed treatment of the matter, creating the foundation to conduct the type of raids that started happening the second he was certified[2]. Then at his inauguration this unfortunate little mishap occurs. Twice, mind you. By a man who continually promotes and enables alt-right ideology. If you squint really, really hard, it's a dog whistle. That's the best case scenario. For everyone else, Elon Musk unambiguously performed a Nazi salute. The absence of this moment from alt-right safe spaces like r/conservative and the X/Twitter feeds of prominent influencers despite the fact that their user base seems to have loved it is, in itself, a story worth telling. [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/initial-rescissions-of-harmful-executive-orders-and-actions/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/init... [2] https://calmatters.org/economy/2025/01/kern-county-immigration-sweep/ https://calmatters.org/economy/2025/01/kern-county-immigrati...

dathinab 2y ago
fun fact: > deportation of illegal immigrants Initially Hitler Germany also, at least to the outside, pushed a position of them just wanting to "deport" Jews outside of Germany. They then decided to instead place them into forced labor camps to extract value out of them while slowly working them to death and later (but not much later) they also started with the industrialized mass killing in death camps. Similar before murdering Jews they started with going after disabled people and then queer people as this was part of their idea of healing (i.e purging) Germany. Not saying the US will treat immigrants like Nazi Germany did treat Jews, that would be dump. But given how they have a profit orientated prison system which more or less forced people to extremely underplayed work and how being an illegal immigrant is a crime and given how some US companies are looking for replacing "cheap labor" from China with something else more under their control I would still be worried.
- MildlySerious 2y ago
  To extend on the parallels: Project 2025 sets the foundation for persecuting queer people. The Project 2025 mandate both suggests categorizing gender affirming care for children as child abuse (p 5) and suggests the death penalty for, among other things, child abuse (p 554). In conspiracy and qanon circles leaders of the left and basically anyone voicing dissenting views have been labelled as pedophiles for years (while Trump's presence on Epstein's flight logs, pictures of Trump/Musk with Epstein and Maxwell continue to be ignored and explained away) and this I fear creates enough ambiguity to not only cause a lot of harm to those affected, but to abuse these policies and go after political enemies for supporting/enabling these now outlawed things. As someone from Germany, the whole Project 2025 document reads like a nightmare come true again, but this bit in particular mirrors the past in the most dreadful ways.
  - gadders 2y ago
    The Project 2025 that he disavowed? Do you want trying arguing with facts rather than some evil figment of your imagination?
    - MildlySerious 2y ago
      The Project 2025 that he disavowed until he didn't, of which the writers are sitting in his cabinet[1], and the policies are getting implemented with executive orders right now? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/trump-project... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-executive-orders-list-president-signed-2016864 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-executive-orders-list-...
      - exe34 2y ago
        I don't have a subscription to the nytimes, any chance you could copy paste from the article any specific names and measures that line up between his EOs and project 2025 please?
gadders 2y ago
You might not agree with these policies, but they are defensible, sensible policies and not that much different from polices and statements under Obama.

dathinab 2y ago

fun fact: > deportation of illegal immigrants Initially Hitler Germany also, at least to the outside, pushed a position of them just wanting to "deport" Jews outside of Germany. They then decided to instead place them into forced labor camps to extract value out of them while slowly working them to death and later (but not much later) they also started with the industrialized mass killing in death camps. Similar before murdering Jews they started with going after disabled people and then queer people as this was part of their idea of healing (i.e purging) Germany. Not saying the US will treat immigrants like Nazi Germany did treat Jews, that would be dump. But given how they have a profit orientated prison system which more or less forced people to extremely underplayed work and how being an illegal immigrant is a crime and given how some US companies are looking for replacing "cheap labor" from China with something else more under their control I would still be worried.

MildlySerious 2y ago
To extend on the parallels: Project 2025 sets the foundation for persecuting queer people. The Project 2025 mandate both suggests categorizing gender affirming care for children as child abuse (p 5) and suggests the death penalty for, among other things, child abuse (p 554). In conspiracy and qanon circles leaders of the left and basically anyone voicing dissenting views have been labelled as pedophiles for years (while Trump's presence on Epstein's flight logs, pictures of Trump/Musk with Epstein and Maxwell continue to be ignored and explained away) and this I fear creates enough ambiguity to not only cause a lot of harm to those affected, but to abuse these policies and go after political enemies for supporting/enabling these now outlawed things. As someone from Germany, the whole Project 2025 document reads like a nightmare come true again, but this bit in particular mirrors the past in the most dreadful ways.
- gadders 2y ago
  The Project 2025 that he disavowed? Do you want trying arguing with facts rather than some evil figment of your imagination?
  - MildlySerious 2y ago
    The Project 2025 that he disavowed until he didn't, of which the writers are sitting in his cabinet[1], and the policies are getting implemented with executive orders right now? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/trump-project... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-executive-orders-list-president-signed-2016864 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-executive-orders-list-...
    - exe34 2y ago
      I don't have a subscription to the nytimes, any chance you could copy paste from the article any specific names and measures that line up between his EOs and project 2025 please?

gadders 2y ago

You might not agree with these policies, but they are defensible, sensible policies and not that much different from polices and statements under Obama.