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>Protesters do not have an untrammelled right to be disruptive; others in society do not have an obligation to facilitate or tolerate that disruption Go on the

>Protesters do not have an untrammelled right to be disruptive; others in society do not have an obligation to facilitate or tolerate that disruption Go on then, polite member of society who doesn't understand the point of protests. I'm looking forward to your counter-protest that will not disrupt anything, will largely go unnoticed, be super polite but still be a huge success and change the status quo.

jdietrich 2y ago
I'm not saying that protesters shouldn't be disruptive, I'm saying that they don't have a right to be disruptive. If you believe that your cause is just, then you have to accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions. Disrupting a conference may well be a more effective way to highlight your grievance, but you don't get to play the victim if the organisers throw you out or refuse you entry. You have a right to protest, but that right does not supersede the rights of other people to go about their lawful business. The alternative to that balancing of rights is nothing more than mob rule.
- gunian 2y ago
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  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    You're missing the distinction. No society grants the right to unlimited protest. The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. For example, I cannot walk into your house and protest what you're eating for dinner. Now I can stand outside on the street with a sign and protest it but if I enter your house I'll be arrested. But I can enter your house and risk being arrested, and that's called civil disobedience, which is a step above protest.
    - gunian 2y ago
      All valid this isn't a trick question I'm truly curious if it was up to you how would civil rights leaders have gone about protesting? Or a group of people that just experienced genocide? Because in your framework they would be disruptors so what is the right way to do things? I was raised by a cult may be dead soon I dont't have any sense of agency anything I do feels wrong so I'm truly curious
      - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        Civil rights leaders both protested and engaged in civil disobedience. Protests and civil disobedience are not the same. Protest is allowed, civil disobedience will get you arrested. When things are wrong there is no right way to do things. You just have to act with your morals and what you believe is right. If enough people agree with you then things change. Or you just ahead of your time and will be looked back on as a savant. I'm sorry you grew up in a cult. One of my hobbies is investigating local cults. (Legacy Center in NC) I don't know you're circumstances about your health or if there's a third to your life, but if I was going to be dead soon that would give me the more freedom of agency than if I had more to lose. People think there is some magic planned to protesting, like you can protest or engage in civil disobedience and just the right way and this hinders people from doing any action. If you see something wrong, do something. That's all there is to it. I stood up and screamed at representative David Price when he attended his speech at a local University at the beginning of the Iraq war. I just knew it was right, was it effective,? Hell no. Did it make me feel good? Hell yes.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Yes, this is what modern protests do not understand. Of course they don't have the right to protest however they want. That's why Martin Luther King was arrested some 29 times. Many of the protesters I talked to in other movements all want to be protected from arrest or any harm to their well-being. In other words, they don't want to push their protest into civil disobedience. People risk their livelihood and lives to protest because they think something is is wrong enough that it needs to be changed that desperately. People today will complain all day about Amazon and Jeff bezos but ask them to cancel their Amazon prime subscription? No way! Just look at what Sam Hussain and Max Blumenthal, the reporters, did the other day, and that should give people an idea of civil disobedience. What FOSDEM is saying is that they don't want civil disobedience, only protests. And they want to set the rules for the protest. So FOSDEM is turning into the state.

jdietrich 2y ago

I'm not saying that protesters shouldn't be disruptive, I'm saying that they don't have a right to be disruptive. If you believe that your cause is just, then you have to accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions. Disrupting a conference may well be a more effective way to highlight your grievance, but you don't get to play the victim if the organisers throw you out or refuse you entry. You have a right to protest, but that right does not supersede the rights of other people to go about their lawful business. The alternative to that balancing of rights is nothing more than mob rule.

gunian 2y ago
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- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  You're missing the distinction. No society grants the right to unlimited protest. The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. For example, I cannot walk into your house and protest what you're eating for dinner. Now I can stand outside on the street with a sign and protest it but if I enter your house I'll be arrested. But I can enter your house and risk being arrested, and that's called civil disobedience, which is a step above protest.
  - gunian 2y ago
    All valid this isn't a trick question I'm truly curious if it was up to you how would civil rights leaders have gone about protesting? Or a group of people that just experienced genocide? Because in your framework they would be disruptors so what is the right way to do things? I was raised by a cult may be dead soon I dont't have any sense of agency anything I do feels wrong so I'm truly curious
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      Civil rights leaders both protested and engaged in civil disobedience. Protests and civil disobedience are not the same. Protest is allowed, civil disobedience will get you arrested. When things are wrong there is no right way to do things. You just have to act with your morals and what you believe is right. If enough people agree with you then things change. Or you just ahead of your time and will be looked back on as a savant. I'm sorry you grew up in a cult. One of my hobbies is investigating local cults. (Legacy Center in NC) I don't know you're circumstances about your health or if there's a third to your life, but if I was going to be dead soon that would give me the more freedom of agency than if I had more to lose. People think there is some magic planned to protesting, like you can protest or engage in civil disobedience and just the right way and this hinders people from doing any action. If you see something wrong, do something. That's all there is to it. I stood up and screamed at representative David Price when he attended his speech at a local University at the beginning of the Iraq war. I just knew it was right, was it effective,? Hell no. Did it make me feel good? Hell yes.
FollowingTheDao 2y ago
Yes, this is what modern protests do not understand. Of course they don't have the right to protest however they want. That's why Martin Luther King was arrested some 29 times. Many of the protesters I talked to in other movements all want to be protected from arrest or any harm to their well-being. In other words, they don't want to push their protest into civil disobedience. People risk their livelihood and lives to protest because they think something is is wrong enough that it needs to be changed that desperately. People today will complain all day about Amazon and Jeff bezos but ask them to cancel their Amazon prime subscription? No way! Just look at what Sam Hussain and Max Blumenthal, the reporters, did the other day, and that should give people an idea of civil disobedience. What FOSDEM is saying is that they don't want civil disobedience, only protests. And they want to set the rules for the protest. So FOSDEM is turning into the state.