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Good that China has caught up US in tech, so at least us Europeans can escape the US oligarchical censorship. Not looking great for those left behind the great

Good that China has caught up US in tech, so at least us Europeans can escape the US oligarchical censorship. Not looking great for those left behind the great firewall of Muskerberg. When will PG fall in line?

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
My concern about PG isn't that he's "falling in line" so much as ripping the mask off and embracing right-wing authoritarianism: So what do we do now? Wokeness is already in retreat. Obviously we should help it along. What's the best way to do that? And more importantly, how do we avoid a third outbreak? After all, it seemed to be dead once, but came back worse than ever. In fact there's an even more ambitious goal: is there a way to prevent any similar outbreak of aggressively performative moralism in the future — not just a third outbreak of political correctness, but the next thing like it? The more general problem — how to prevent similar outbreaks of aggressively performative moralism — is of course harder. Here we're up against human nature. There will always be prigs. And in particular there will always be the enforcers among them, the aggressively conventional-minded. These people are born that way. Every society has them. So the best we can do is to keep them bottled up. https://paulgraham.com/woke.html https://paulgraham.com/woke.html (this entire essay is pathetically ignorant even by PG's standards, but the latent fascism is still very scary)
- Terretta 2y ago
  >> Is there a way to prevent any similar outbreak of aggressively performative moralism in the future — not just a third outbreak of political correctness, but the next thing like it? Of course there is. Remove dissent from media, discomfort from libraries, and debate from schools.
pantalaimon 2y ago
> When will PG fall in line? This post is already flagged
- t909 2y ago
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mardifoufs 2y ago
Yes, you can escape the US oligarchical censorship, and have the European form of it instead. The funny part is that DNS "great firewall" types of censorship and blocks are much more common in Europe, but European nationalists will always say that it's somehow different when they do it.
- t909 2y ago
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- mardifoufs 2y ago
  I can't reply to the sibling comment but yes, yes it is: >In France, a new law dubbed "CREN" has already made its way through the upper house. It allows the French government to force DNS blocking of sites it deem to be non-compliant of the new law. >In Spain, websites belonging to the Catalonian independence movement were all DNS blocked, back in 2017. >Denmark has censored a wide-swath of content since at least 2011, including file sharing, mp3 converters and illegal gambling sites. >As reported back in 2021, The EU itself is actively developing its own DNS, with the project named "DNS4EU". Its goal is to wrest control away from US based companies, and to gain greater control over access to online content. https://vocal.media/01/norway-introduces-dns-blocking-of-illegal-websites https://vocal.media/01/norway-introduces-dns-blocking-of-ill...

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago

My concern about PG isn't that he's "falling in line" so much as ripping the mask off and embracing right-wing authoritarianism: So what do we do now? Wokeness is already in retreat. Obviously we should help it along. What's the best way to do that? And more importantly, how do we avoid a third outbreak? After all, it seemed to be dead once, but came back worse than ever. In fact there's an even more ambitious goal: is there a way to prevent any similar outbreak of aggressively performative moralism in the future — not just a third outbreak of political correctness, but the next thing like it? The more general problem — how to prevent similar outbreaks of aggressively performative moralism — is of course harder. Here we're up against human nature. There will always be prigs. And in particular there will always be the enforcers among them, the aggressively conventional-minded. These people are born that way. Every society has them. So the best we can do is to keep them bottled up. https://paulgraham.com/woke.html https://paulgraham.com/woke.html (this entire essay is pathetically ignorant even by PG's standards, but the latent fascism is still very scary)

Terretta 2y ago
>> Is there a way to prevent any similar outbreak of aggressively performative moralism in the future — not just a third outbreak of political correctness, but the next thing like it? Of course there is. Remove dissent from media, discomfort from libraries, and debate from schools.

pantalaimon 2y ago

> When will PG fall in line? This post is already flagged

t909 2y ago
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mardifoufs 2y ago

Yes, you can escape the US oligarchical censorship, and have the European form of it instead. The funny part is that DNS "great firewall" types of censorship and blocks are much more common in Europe, but European nationalists will always say that it's somehow different when they do it.

t909 2y ago
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mardifoufs 2y ago
I can't reply to the sibling comment but yes, yes it is: >In France, a new law dubbed "CREN" has already made its way through the upper house. It allows the French government to force DNS blocking of sites it deem to be non-compliant of the new law. >In Spain, websites belonging to the Catalonian independence movement were all DNS blocked, back in 2017. >Denmark has censored a wide-swath of content since at least 2011, including file sharing, mp3 converters and illegal gambling sites. >As reported back in 2021, The EU itself is actively developing its own DNS, with the project named "DNS4EU". Its goal is to wrest control away from US based companies, and to gain greater control over access to online content. https://vocal.media/01/norway-introduces-dns-blocking-of-illegal-websites https://vocal.media/01/norway-introduces-dns-blocking-of-ill...