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What’s especially offputting is the media not covering Elon’s Nazi salute

by gigatexal 2y ago

DoingIsLearning 2y ago
> salute Salutes. He did it more than once in that speech. In full, hand to chest and all.
- gigatexal 2y ago
  Nearly half a trillion dollars of net worth must make him feel untouchable. The SEC can’t touch him when he says “funding secured” (it wasn’t). Nor can they do anything to him when he secretly bought Twitter shares. Because he’s so engrained with the government he’s untouchable. SpaceX is doing stuff NASA only dreams of. Nobody built out starlink to the volume that he did and so now he can play king maker in war zones like Ukraine. He’s got huge conflicts of interest with China. The man is basically an asset of foreign governments and is here sweing the seeds of hate on his mega platform. It used to be nobody was above the law but then billionaires became too powerful. How often do I think about Rome? A shit ton more now except I think more about the fall of Rome than the golden era.
  - mongol 2y ago
    Regarding Rome. I am thinking the same and what comes to my mind is Caesar. Trump crossed the Rubicon on January 6 and prevailed. Now history will tell how far this analogy will hold but what makes me think of it as fitting is that it marked the end of the Republic and from then on Rome was ruled by emperors and family clans.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      That doesn't quite work. Trump lost on January 6th - the vote went against him. I think the Rubicon was more this election. Caesar was in a position where, if he didn't bring his army to Rome, his political enemies were going to destroy him. Trump was in a position where, if he didn't win the election, his political enemies (and the legal cases arising from his various unusual activities) were going to destroy him. But I wonder if that's really where we are. I wonder if we're not more at the time of Marius and Sulla, and the real Caesar is still 40 years away.
      - mongol 2y ago
        I see it as Nov 6 was when he crossed a border without return. He showed his cards. He lost that day, but he wins now, so prevailed in the end.
baq 2y ago
From the man routinely saying the media lie to you on his own media platform. At least that’s where I’ve seen the video of him doing it, so perhaps he isn’t wrong about that particular thing?
- computerthings 2y ago
  Even the German Bundeswehr withdrew from Twitter because of Musk's endorsement of the far-right extremist AfD. The people who need to be made aware of this aren't the people who are remaining on there (which are people who either already are critical of Musk but are stubborn or can't leave for other reasons, and Musk fans).
lukan 2y ago
Erm, google "elon nazi salut" did gave me a lot of mainstream media results. But possible, that they do not make headlines out of it.
rofo1 2y ago
Do you really believe this? Sincerely and honestly? You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class? How is it possible to get to this level? Truly amazing.
- computerthings 2y ago
  > You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class? No, which is why nobody but people who want to downplay say this stuff. This is the second comment of this kind I saw. He's doing the Hitler salute, with a snarl, once to the crowd and once to Trump. He has no clue who Hitler is or what he did, just like he has no clue what RPC are, or what item level requirements in Path of Exile 2 mean, but that doesn't change what we see with our own eyes.
  - rofo1 2y ago
    What is there to downplay? This is why engagement hunters on Twitter/X.com made a side by side comparison of "Democrats doing Nazi salute" over the years, and there are like 10 pictures there doing the same exact thing. It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too.
    - computerthings 2y ago
      > It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too. The person you replied to said "nazi salute". In context, it's clear the gesture is meant. Everything else comes solely from you. And far-right groups everywhere are totally celebrating it by the way, you're aware of that, right? In a way they never did and wouldn't celebrate some random "gotcha" photo of a Democrat that has nothing to do with them. So you're just underlining the point.
      - rofo1 2y ago
        [flagged]
ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
I saw the BBC's article "Elon Musk's gesture at Trump rally draws scrutiny" - way to downplay a Nazi salute, BBC. Musk has been promoting extreme right-wing opinions, conspiracies and outright lies for quite a while now and he's obviously seeing the Trump presidency as a key success in his plot for world domination, so he no longer needs to hide his fascism/racism etc. Why other organisations are seeking to downplay actual Nazi salutes must be because they are scared of the power imbalance and seek to appease (hint: that never works).
- addandsubtract 2y ago
  German media is doing the same, posing it as a question or posing it as "looks like" and it's baffling. Then there's also the Anti-Defamation League coming forward protecting Musk and saying it wasn't a nazi salut. I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    I saw about the ADL's stance and just find it unbelievable. Are they just more interested in siding with Israel despite the atrocities? I don't see how Musk's two Nazi salutes can be defended when he deliberately did it twice and has a history of supporting extreme right-wing views.
    - SamBam 2y ago
      ADL has been much more about pro-Israel than they have been about anti-antisemitism. They know which way Israel's bread is buttered. Trump just removed all sanctions for the settlers, and allowed the sale of significantly bigger bombs to Israel on his first day. Israel has a huge amount to gain from a Trump administration. ADL isn't going to blow that opportunity by calling out Elon's Nazi salute.
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    > I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion. Once you start differentiating between Zionist interests and Jewish interests, the last 80 years (and especially the last 15 months) makes a lot more sense.

What’s especially offputting is the media not covering Elon’s Nazi salute

DoingIsLearning 2y ago

> salute Salutes. He did it more than once in that speech. In full, hand to chest and all.

gigatexal 2y ago
Nearly half a trillion dollars of net worth must make him feel untouchable. The SEC can’t touch him when he says “funding secured” (it wasn’t). Nor can they do anything to him when he secretly bought Twitter shares. Because he’s so engrained with the government he’s untouchable. SpaceX is doing stuff NASA only dreams of. Nobody built out starlink to the volume that he did and so now he can play king maker in war zones like Ukraine. He’s got huge conflicts of interest with China. The man is basically an asset of foreign governments and is here sweing the seeds of hate on his mega platform. It used to be nobody was above the law but then billionaires became too powerful. How often do I think about Rome? A shit ton more now except I think more about the fall of Rome than the golden era.
- mongol 2y ago
  Regarding Rome. I am thinking the same and what comes to my mind is Caesar. Trump crossed the Rubicon on January 6 and prevailed. Now history will tell how far this analogy will hold but what makes me think of it as fitting is that it marked the end of the Republic and from then on Rome was ruled by emperors and family clans.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    That doesn't quite work. Trump lost on January 6th - the vote went against him. I think the Rubicon was more this election. Caesar was in a position where, if he didn't bring his army to Rome, his political enemies were going to destroy him. Trump was in a position where, if he didn't win the election, his political enemies (and the legal cases arising from his various unusual activities) were going to destroy him. But I wonder if that's really where we are. I wonder if we're not more at the time of Marius and Sulla, and the real Caesar is still 40 years away.
    - mongol 2y ago
      I see it as Nov 6 was when he crossed a border without return. He showed his cards. He lost that day, but he wins now, so prevailed in the end.

baq 2y ago

From the man routinely saying the media lie to you on his own media platform. At least that’s where I’ve seen the video of him doing it, so perhaps he isn’t wrong about that particular thing?

computerthings 2y ago
Even the German Bundeswehr withdrew from Twitter because of Musk's endorsement of the far-right extremist AfD. The people who need to be made aware of this aren't the people who are remaining on there (which are people who either already are critical of Musk but are stubborn or can't leave for other reasons, and Musk fans).

lukan 2y ago

Erm, google "elon nazi salut" did gave me a lot of mainstream media results. But possible, that they do not make headlines out of it.

rofo1 2y ago

Do you really believe this? Sincerely and honestly? You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class? How is it possible to get to this level? Truly amazing.

computerthings 2y ago
> You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class? No, which is why nobody but people who want to downplay say this stuff. This is the second comment of this kind I saw. He's doing the Hitler salute, with a snarl, once to the crowd and once to Trump. He has no clue who Hitler is or what he did, just like he has no clue what RPC are, or what item level requirements in Path of Exile 2 mean, but that doesn't change what we see with our own eyes.
- rofo1 2y ago
  What is there to downplay? This is why engagement hunters on Twitter/X.com made a side by side comparison of "Democrats doing Nazi salute" over the years, and there are like 10 pictures there doing the same exact thing. It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    > It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too. The person you replied to said "nazi salute". In context, it's clear the gesture is meant. Everything else comes solely from you. And far-right groups everywhere are totally celebrating it by the way, you're aware of that, right? In a way they never did and wouldn't celebrate some random "gotcha" photo of a Democrat that has nothing to do with them. So you're just underlining the point.
    - rofo1 2y ago
      [flagged]

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago

I saw the BBC's article "Elon Musk's gesture at Trump rally draws scrutiny" - way to downplay a Nazi salute, BBC. Musk has been promoting extreme right-wing opinions, conspiracies and outright lies for quite a while now and he's obviously seeing the Trump presidency as a key success in his plot for world domination, so he no longer needs to hide his fascism/racism etc. Why other organisations are seeking to downplay actual Nazi salutes must be because they are scared of the power imbalance and seek to appease (hint: that never works).

addandsubtract 2y ago
German media is doing the same, posing it as a question or posing it as "looks like" and it's baffling. Then there's also the Anti-Defamation League coming forward protecting Musk and saying it wasn't a nazi salut. I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  I saw about the ADL's stance and just find it unbelievable. Are they just more interested in siding with Israel despite the atrocities? I don't see how Musk's two Nazi salutes can be defended when he deliberately did it twice and has a history of supporting extreme right-wing views.
  - SamBam 2y ago
    ADL has been much more about pro-Israel than they have been about anti-antisemitism. They know which way Israel's bread is buttered. Trump just removed all sanctions for the settlers, and allowed the sale of significantly bigger bombs to Israel on his first day. Israel has a huge amount to gain from a Trump administration. ADL isn't going to blow that opportunity by calling out Elon's Nazi salute.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion. Once you start differentiating between Zionist interests and Jewish interests, the last 80 years (and especially the last 15 months) makes a lot more sense.