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Seems like several platforms are complying with fascists, so we should definitely be switching to decentralised platforms to communicate safely.

Rodeoclash 2y ago
You cannot tech your way out of this.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  No, but it seems like we'll need ways to co-ordinate resistance against the oppressors.
- zesterer 2y ago
  Decentralisation is a socio-political solution, not a technical solution. It directly addresses the problem of media ownership and proliferation.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    It's a limited solution at best. You can't win a tech arms race with the very people who control the core infrastructure, write the laws and run the police. Just ask the pro-Democracy protestors in Hong Kong.
    - Jgoure 2y ago
      You are so right!!!! Everyone is like Elon is the richest man! Bezos is the richest! The richest government scares the NSA, not these poor rich people.
    - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
      That wasn't a tech arms race, that was military & police domination. We have a heavily contested information space, & so far we are still not an authoritarian state. It seems defeatist I'm extremely to say it's not worth trying to build a better less manipulable less privately controlled information space. It seems obvious that there's still time & patriotic as hell - fully committed to democracy & people, over large institutions & powers.
gigatexal 2y ago
What’s especially offputting is the media not covering Elon’s Nazi salute
- DoingIsLearning 2y ago
  > salute Salutes. He did it more than once in that speech. In full, hand to chest and all.
  - gigatexal 2y ago
    Nearly half a trillion dollars of net worth must make him feel untouchable. The SEC can’t touch him when he says “funding secured” (it wasn’t). Nor can they do anything to him when he secretly bought Twitter shares. Because he’s so engrained with the government he’s untouchable. SpaceX is doing stuff NASA only dreams of. Nobody built out starlink to the volume that he did and so now he can play king maker in war zones like Ukraine. He’s got huge conflicts of interest with China. The man is basically an asset of foreign governments and is here sweing the seeds of hate on his mega platform. It used to be nobody was above the law but then billionaires became too powerful. How often do I think about Rome? A shit ton more now except I think more about the fall of Rome than the golden era.
    - mongol 2y ago
      Regarding Rome. I am thinking the same and what comes to my mind is Caesar. Trump crossed the Rubicon on January 6 and prevailed. Now history will tell how far this analogy will hold but what makes me think of it as fitting is that it marked the end of the Republic and from then on Rome was ruled by emperors and family clans.
      - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
        That doesn't quite work. Trump lost on January 6th - the vote went against him. I think the Rubicon was more this election. Caesar was in a position where, if he didn't bring his army to Rome, his political enemies were going to destroy him. Trump was in a position where, if he didn't win the election, his political enemies (and the legal cases arising from his various unusual activities) were going to destroy him. But I wonder if that's really where we are. I wonder if we're not more at the time of Marius and Sulla, and the real Caesar is still 40 years away.
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Rodeoclash 2y ago

You cannot tech your way out of this.

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
No, but it seems like we'll need ways to co-ordinate resistance against the oppressors.
zesterer 2y ago
Decentralisation is a socio-political solution, not a technical solution. It directly addresses the problem of media ownership and proliferation.
- janice1999 2y ago
  It's a limited solution at best. You can't win a tech arms race with the very people who control the core infrastructure, write the laws and run the police. Just ask the pro-Democracy protestors in Hong Kong.
  - Jgoure 2y ago
    You are so right!!!! Everyone is like Elon is the richest man! Bezos is the richest! The richest government scares the NSA, not these poor rich people.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    That wasn't a tech arms race, that was military & police domination. We have a heavily contested information space, & so far we are still not an authoritarian state. It seems defeatist I'm extremely to say it's not worth trying to build a better less manipulable less privately controlled information space. It seems obvious that there's still time & patriotic as hell - fully committed to democracy & people, over large institutions & powers.

gigatexal 2y ago

What’s especially offputting is the media not covering Elon’s Nazi salute

DoingIsLearning 2y ago
> salute Salutes. He did it more than once in that speech. In full, hand to chest and all.
- gigatexal 2y ago
  Nearly half a trillion dollars of net worth must make him feel untouchable. The SEC can’t touch him when he says “funding secured” (it wasn’t). Nor can they do anything to him when he secretly bought Twitter shares. Because he’s so engrained with the government he’s untouchable. SpaceX is doing stuff NASA only dreams of. Nobody built out starlink to the volume that he did and so now he can play king maker in war zones like Ukraine. He’s got huge conflicts of interest with China. The man is basically an asset of foreign governments and is here sweing the seeds of hate on his mega platform. It used to be nobody was above the law but then billionaires became too powerful. How often do I think about Rome? A shit ton more now except I think more about the fall of Rome than the golden era.
  - mongol 2y ago
    Regarding Rome. I am thinking the same and what comes to my mind is Caesar. Trump crossed the Rubicon on January 6 and prevailed. Now history will tell how far this analogy will hold but what makes me think of it as fitting is that it marked the end of the Republic and from then on Rome was ruled by emperors and family clans.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      That doesn't quite work. Trump lost on January 6th - the vote went against him. I think the Rubicon was more this election. Caesar was in a position where, if he didn't bring his army to Rome, his political enemies were going to destroy him. Trump was in a position where, if he didn't win the election, his political enemies (and the legal cases arising from his various unusual activities) were going to destroy him. But I wonder if that's really where we are. I wonder if we're not more at the time of Marius and Sulla, and the real Caesar is still 40 years away.

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