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It’s really not that complicated or expensive. Broken down for most people it’s gonna work just like email. What’s your grievance besides the general stuff in y

It’s really not that complicated or expensive. Broken down for most people it’s gonna work just like email. What’s your grievance besides the general stuff in your post?

elric 2y ago
It seems pretty complicated to me, but maybe you can point out some resources that make it easy? My current invoicing system is a simple tool that generates PDFs. I send those to my customers by email (and rarely an angry reminder by post), and I get paid. Good stuff. My suppliers similarly send me PDFs by mail, and some of them send me paper invoices by post. All very simple. I pay them every month, and once every quarter I send those on to my accountant so he can do his thing. All this sending and receiving has been free so far. But with PEPPOL, I'll suddenly need some third party tool with some kind of paid subscription, to continue to do what I had been doing for free before.
- descala 2y ago
  This one https://www.b2brouter.net/global/prices/ https://www.b2brouter.net/global/prices/ allows free sending, but it does not offer reception.
- deleted 2y ago
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itake 2y ago
Another poster says its $2k/yr membership fee + auditing to submit invoices in their system. Even if you "share" a certificate with others, this seems like an unwanted income tax for freelancers or businesses. 1,800 euro annual fee for freelancers: https://peppol.org/join/fees/ https://peppol.org/join/fees/
- dpnmn 2y ago
  That's something else, thats for directly connecting to Peppol, which few business will do (mostly very large businesses, or financial companies). Most businesses will use a accounting system anyway, and most of those will support Peppol out-of-the-box. So instead (or in addition) to sending an e-mail, the invoice will be sent directly into their accounting system (and their bank, if they choose). Really, it simplifies things a lot! No more punching/copying of stuff from PDFs into your online bank. The cost is not really high, just a bit annoying (typically some euros a month + a few euros pr invoice). (I probably could have found a cheaper provider but I don't send many invoices so it is ok).
  - itake 2y ago
    Sending an email is free. Paying for accounting software (sharing the license) is not free. Can you share what the cost is? This [0] provider says each invoice costs $10-30. NET14 means you'd pay $260 - $780/yr! https://www.valtatech.com/thought-leadership/einvoicing/how-much-does-a-peppol-einvoice-cost/ https://www.valtatech.com/thought-leadership/einvoicing/how-...
    - B1zz3y_ 2y ago
      That isn't right. I would expect your invoices to cost around 5 to 10 cents. We offer them for free in our subscription at https://www.bizzey.com https://www.bizzey.com
      - itake 2y ago
        Your product costs 24,99 euro / mo or 300 euro / yr. Hardly 5-10 cents.
  - elric 2y ago
    A few euros per invoice? That seems pretty expensive. More expensive than the postal service.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      On the upside, PEPPOL guarantees delivery if you successfully submit a message. So the recipient can't claim they didn't get the invoice if you managed to deliver.
    - Muromec 2y ago
      Just wait till somebody on a poor side of the continent makes a service that does the same for a flat fee of few euros per year
      - itake 2y ago
        This exists already. But its still confusing to me why they would need to pay any euros per year? Imagine if you're a full time worker (like a freelancer!) and you have to pay a transaction tax to get your wages.

It’s really not that complicated or expensive. Broken down for most people it’s gonna work just like email. What’s your grievance besides the general stuff in your post?

elric 2y ago

It seems pretty complicated to me, but maybe you can point out some resources that make it easy? My current invoicing system is a simple tool that generates PDFs. I send those to my customers by email (and rarely an angry reminder by post), and I get paid. Good stuff. My suppliers similarly send me PDFs by mail, and some of them send me paper invoices by post. All very simple. I pay them every month, and once every quarter I send those on to my accountant so he can do his thing. All this sending and receiving has been free so far. But with PEPPOL, I'll suddenly need some third party tool with some kind of paid subscription, to continue to do what I had been doing for free before.

descala 2y ago
This one https://www.b2brouter.net/global/prices/ https://www.b2brouter.net/global/prices/ allows free sending, but it does not offer reception.
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itake 2y ago

Another poster says its $2k/yr membership fee + auditing to submit invoices in their system. Even if you "share" a certificate with others, this seems like an unwanted income tax for freelancers or businesses. 1,800 euro annual fee for freelancers: https://peppol.org/join/fees/ https://peppol.org/join/fees/

dpnmn 2y ago
That's something else, thats for directly connecting to Peppol, which few business will do (mostly very large businesses, or financial companies). Most businesses will use a accounting system anyway, and most of those will support Peppol out-of-the-box. So instead (or in addition) to sending an e-mail, the invoice will be sent directly into their accounting system (and their bank, if they choose). Really, it simplifies things a lot! No more punching/copying of stuff from PDFs into your online bank. The cost is not really high, just a bit annoying (typically some euros a month + a few euros pr invoice). (I probably could have found a cheaper provider but I don't send many invoices so it is ok).
- itake 2y ago
  Sending an email is free. Paying for accounting software (sharing the license) is not free. Can you share what the cost is? This [0] provider says each invoice costs $10-30. NET14 means you'd pay $260 - $780/yr! https://www.valtatech.com/thought-leadership/einvoicing/how-much-does-a-peppol-einvoice-cost/ https://www.valtatech.com/thought-leadership/einvoicing/how-...
  - B1zz3y_ 2y ago
    That isn't right. I would expect your invoices to cost around 5 to 10 cents. We offer them for free in our subscription at https://www.bizzey.com https://www.bizzey.com
    - itake 2y ago
      Your product costs 24,99 euro / mo or 300 euro / yr. Hardly 5-10 cents.
- elric 2y ago
  A few euros per invoice? That seems pretty expensive. More expensive than the postal service.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    On the upside, PEPPOL guarantees delivery if you successfully submit a message. So the recipient can't claim they didn't get the invoice if you managed to deliver.
  - Muromec 2y ago
    Just wait till somebody on a poor side of the continent makes a service that does the same for a flat fee of few euros per year
    - itake 2y ago
      This exists already. But its still confusing to me why they would need to pay any euros per year? Imagine if you're a full time worker (like a freelancer!) and you have to pay a transaction tax to get your wages.