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> This generation of "robber barons" has very clearly done more good for society than any other group of people By what metric?

mgraczyk 2y ago
Almost any? Counterfactual human suffering if they didn't exist, number of lives saved, GDP, mean happiness, mean of bottom 5% happiness, etc
- gooosle 2y ago
  You attribute all of that exclusively to a small group of tech ceos? That's completely absurd, but let's see the data on that.
  - mgraczyk 2y ago
    This is a list of proposed metrics, not things attributed
    - gooosle 2y ago
      'proposed metrics'? LOL Is that a way of saying 'I don't actually have any data or numbers backing my absurd claims'?
      - mgraczyk 2y ago
        No, read the comment I was responding to
        gooosle 2y ago
        It doesn't contain anything that would either back or excuse your claims.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        It asked for a metric and I suggested a list of metrics. It's like if I said "whales are the biggest animal" and another asked "by what metric", then I said "weight". By saying "weight", I haven't specified how heavy the animal is, I only clarified what I meant by "biggest"
        gooosle 2y ago
        It asked for specific metrics backing your claim. Your claim was that tech billionaires contributed more towards the good of society than any other group. You provided a list of metrics that are in no way exclusively attributable to tech billionaires, and no actual data/number on how and how much these are attributable to tech billionaires. Your analogy is completely unrelated too. It's more like if you said 'whales are the best animal' and then gave me a bunch of random metrics about the state of the world.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        What does it mean for a metric to be "attributable" to somebody? For example, is length attributable to me? Is weight attributable to the whale? What are you talking about?
        gooosle 2y ago
        Now you're playing games around the semantics of the word 'attributable'? Lmao I also love how all of your analogies/examples immediately switched from amazing societal improvements to measurements of physical object characteristics. Truly amusing stuff. Let's take one of the metrics you suggested - 'number of lives saved' - go ahead and tell me how tech billionaires have saved more lives than any other group. Or maybe just admit that you're talking out of your ass.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        I'm trying to simplify it so it's easier to understand. It's not semantics, it's a different category of thing. Yes the billionaire I listed have saved more lives than 99.999% of humans. They do this by paying for specific individuals to be treated for specific fatal diseases, and by funding research that has led to cures and preventative vaccines that have already saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people

mgraczyk 2y ago

Almost any? Counterfactual human suffering if they didn't exist, number of lives saved, GDP, mean happiness, mean of bottom 5% happiness, etc

gooosle 2y ago
You attribute all of that exclusively to a small group of tech ceos? That's completely absurd, but let's see the data on that.
- mgraczyk 2y ago
  This is a list of proposed metrics, not things attributed
  - gooosle 2y ago
    'proposed metrics'? LOL Is that a way of saying 'I don't actually have any data or numbers backing my absurd claims'?
    - mgraczyk 2y ago
      No, read the comment I was responding to
      - gooosle 2y ago
        It doesn't contain anything that would either back or excuse your claims.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        It asked for a metric and I suggested a list of metrics. It's like if I said "whales are the biggest animal" and another asked "by what metric", then I said "weight". By saying "weight", I haven't specified how heavy the animal is, I only clarified what I meant by "biggest"
        gooosle 2y ago
        It asked for specific metrics backing your claim. Your claim was that tech billionaires contributed more towards the good of society than any other group. You provided a list of metrics that are in no way exclusively attributable to tech billionaires, and no actual data/number on how and how much these are attributable to tech billionaires. Your analogy is completely unrelated too. It's more like if you said 'whales are the best animal' and then gave me a bunch of random metrics about the state of the world.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        What does it mean for a metric to be "attributable" to somebody? For example, is length attributable to me? Is weight attributable to the whale? What are you talking about?
        gooosle 2y ago
        Now you're playing games around the semantics of the word 'attributable'? Lmao I also love how all of your analogies/examples immediately switched from amazing societal improvements to measurements of physical object characteristics. Truly amusing stuff. Let's take one of the metrics you suggested - 'number of lives saved' - go ahead and tell me how tech billionaires have saved more lives than any other group. Or maybe just admit that you're talking out of your ass.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        I'm trying to simplify it so it's easier to understand. It's not semantics, it's a different category of thing. Yes the billionaire I listed have saved more lives than 99.999% of humans. They do this by paying for specific individuals to be treated for specific fatal diseases, and by funding research that has led to cures and preventative vaccines that have already saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people