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> Why do you want to destroy market power for people on visas even further Under what auspices are they supposed to have market power in the first place? H1B

by csa 2y ago

> Why do you want to destroy market power for people on visas even further Under what auspices are they supposed to have market power in the first place? H1B folks are supposed to be here to make up for deficiencies in the labor market. When those deficiencies don’t exist, we don’t need to add more of those jobs. There is definitely a humane way to do this (e.g., don’t just yoink people out of jobs), but the current situation with companies claiming no qualified candidates is often farcical. > leading to even more exploitation than exists today? Imho, poor implementation and oversight of the h1b program is the cause of a much of the exploitation that exists. Right-sizing the number of h1b positions in the country based on data that’s in the ballpark of realistic is not an unreasonable ask. As I have said elsewhere, I know and have worked with many h1b folks, and I love that the program exists. That said, there’s no need to continue to allow the abusers to abuse it.

sunshowers 2y ago
> Under what auspices are they supposed to have market power in the first place? Labor rights? Equality? Freedom? Does today mark the day we just give up on these ideas? > There is definitely a humane way to do this (e.g., don’t just yoink people out of jobs) But you strongly implied exactly that with "Meanwhile, H1Bs remain employed". There is no reasonable reading of this which doesn't strongly imply that visa workers should be the first to be fired and the last to be hired. > but the current situation with companies claiming no qualified candidates is often farcical. Do you not understand that the oligarchs are the enemy? Not other workers, oligarchs. > That said, there’s no need to continue to allow the abusers to abuse it. You are very deliberately and carefully advocating for depressed wages. Later, you will complain about visa workers having depressed wages.
- anarticle 2y ago
  https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b You can read here exactly what the terms of this are: "The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States." H1Bs writ large do not have "market power" as you say: "The law establishes certain standards in order to protect similarly employed U.S. workers from being adversely affected by the employment of the nonimmigrant workers, as well as to protect the H-1B nonimmigrant workers." https://news.crunchbase.com/startups/tech-layoffs/ https://news.crunchbase.com/startups/tech-layoffs/ If we can't find talent in the 380k people laid off in the last 3y there is a problem. As for abusers abusing it, you don't have to go far to read about InfoSys and Tata who have been taken to court over their misbehavior re:H1Bs. The system should be overhauled, so that it lives up to its intent. If we want to brain drain other countries, we should continue doing that. However hiring a person to run a 7/11 in a flyover state for 30k a year on H1B is clearly a violation. The data is public, look for yourself.
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    I'm speaking in general principles of what's right and wrong, what's good and evil. As much as the oligarchs want you to pretend that morality is relative and that it is only down to the laws as written, it isn't.

by csa 2y ago

sunshowers 2y ago

> Under what auspices are they supposed to have market power in the first place? Labor rights? Equality? Freedom? Does today mark the day we just give up on these ideas? > There is definitely a humane way to do this (e.g., don’t just yoink people out of jobs) But you strongly implied exactly that with "Meanwhile, H1Bs remain employed". There is no reasonable reading of this which doesn't strongly imply that visa workers should be the first to be fired and the last to be hired. > but the current situation with companies claiming no qualified candidates is often farcical. Do you not understand that the oligarchs are the enemy? Not other workers, oligarchs. > That said, there’s no need to continue to allow the abusers to abuse it. You are very deliberately and carefully advocating for depressed wages. Later, you will complain about visa workers having depressed wages.

anarticle 2y ago
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b You can read here exactly what the terms of this are: "The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States." H1Bs writ large do not have "market power" as you say: "The law establishes certain standards in order to protect similarly employed U.S. workers from being adversely affected by the employment of the nonimmigrant workers, as well as to protect the H-1B nonimmigrant workers." https://news.crunchbase.com/startups/tech-layoffs/ https://news.crunchbase.com/startups/tech-layoffs/ If we can't find talent in the 380k people laid off in the last 3y there is a problem. As for abusers abusing it, you don't have to go far to read about InfoSys and Tata who have been taken to court over their misbehavior re:H1Bs. The system should be overhauled, so that it lives up to its intent. If we want to brain drain other countries, we should continue doing that. However hiring a person to run a 7/11 in a flyover state for 30k a year on H1B is clearly a violation. The data is public, look for yourself.
- sunshowers 2y ago
  I'm speaking in general principles of what's right and wrong, what's good and evil. As much as the oligarchs want you to pretend that morality is relative and that it is only down to the laws as written, it isn't.