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A large fraction of the folks here need this to be memory holed. Otherwise people will know how individuals on this forum stand on this issue.

dang 2y ago
HN commenters definitely aren't pro you-know-who on the whole; quite the opposite. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42776448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42776448) More importantly, the issue isn't whether people are boo or yay; it's that both the boo comments and the yay comments are repetitive, nasty, and boring...keeping in mind that something can be both boring and intense at the same time. Since that's what we're trying to avoid here, we should avoid it in this case as well.
- nosioptar 2y ago
  Is "you-know-who" Trump? If so, why not just say his name?
  - dang 2y ago
    I meant the Muskian variety. Some combination of being playful, superstitious, squeamish, and hoping not to trigger a headless chicken effect, I suppose.
    - teddyh 2y ago
      Anyone who says the name of you-know-who is now a Nazi.
- lazystar 2y ago
  I 100% agree with your opinion that the top level comments would all be of a similar nature, but I think youre not considering how the thread comments would allow people to have a place to discuss what comes next, both for the nation and for the troll. It's a stunt clearly done to keep the executive orders out of the light, but unlike many of their previlus troll actions that had a similar goal, it's a stunt that will have long term implications. The only other place to discuss it are the one million threads on reddit, where all the top level comments are bots. Again I agree with your points, but not your conclusion.
  - dang 2y ago
    There will be other articles that provide a better foundation to discuss that (i.e. "what comes next"). On HN the idea is we want some, but not too much, discussion of such issues, and for the discussion to be intellectually curious rather than flamingly indignant. For the first point to work, we can't have too many threads; and for the second to work, the threads we do have need to be based on more substantive articles (and events).
    - Teever 2y ago
      I'd like to see a thread on hackernews that is something like this: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1i6brqw/employees_of_tesla_and_spacex_whats_the_internal/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1i6brqw/employee... Do you consider this interpretation of the topic interesting and 'curious' enough for hackernews? One of the main reasons that I come here is to interact with people in the tech industry and I think that the opinions of the people who work for the man or who have worked for the man about this event are important to hear.
      - dang 2y ago
        Probably not, because most of the responses aren't coming from employees, the ones that say they are may not be, and even the real ones may not feel free to say much. If it were verified employees saying what they really think, would that be interesting? Sure. Even then though, keep in mind that HN's standard isn't "interesting", it's intellectually interesting. Similarly, it isn't "gratify curiosity", it's "gratify intellectual curiosity" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). There are other kinds of curiosity (e.g. social curiosity) and they're interesting too (to me also!) but they're not the same as intellectual curiosity and thus not what this site is primarily for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22social%20curiosity%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        Teever 2y ago

dang 2y ago

HN commenters definitely aren't pro you-know-who on the whole; quite the opposite. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42776448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42776448) More importantly, the issue isn't whether people are boo or yay; it's that both the boo comments and the yay comments are repetitive, nasty, and boring...keeping in mind that something can be both boring and intense at the same time. Since that's what we're trying to avoid here, we should avoid it in this case as well.

nosioptar 2y ago
Is "you-know-who" Trump? If so, why not just say his name?
- dang 2y ago
  I meant the Muskian variety. Some combination of being playful, superstitious, squeamish, and hoping not to trigger a headless chicken effect, I suppose.
  - teddyh 2y ago
    Anyone who says the name of you-know-who is now a Nazi.
lazystar 2y ago
I 100% agree with your opinion that the top level comments would all be of a similar nature, but I think youre not considering how the thread comments would allow people to have a place to discuss what comes next, both for the nation and for the troll. It's a stunt clearly done to keep the executive orders out of the light, but unlike many of their previlus troll actions that had a similar goal, it's a stunt that will have long term implications. The only other place to discuss it are the one million threads on reddit, where all the top level comments are bots. Again I agree with your points, but not your conclusion.
- dang 2y ago
  There will be other articles that provide a better foundation to discuss that (i.e. "what comes next"). On HN the idea is we want some, but not too much, discussion of such issues, and for the discussion to be intellectually curious rather than flamingly indignant. For the first point to work, we can't have too many threads; and for the second to work, the threads we do have need to be based on more substantive articles (and events).
  - Teever 2y ago
    I'd like to see a thread on hackernews that is something like this: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1i6brqw/employees_of_tesla_and_spacex_whats_the_internal/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1i6brqw/employee... Do you consider this interpretation of the topic interesting and 'curious' enough for hackernews? One of the main reasons that I come here is to interact with people in the tech industry and I think that the opinions of the people who work for the man or who have worked for the man about this event are important to hear.
    - dang 2y ago
      Probably not, because most of the responses aren't coming from employees, the ones that say they are may not be, and even the real ones may not feel free to say much. If it were verified employees saying what they really think, would that be interesting? Sure. Even then though, keep in mind that HN's standard isn't "interesting", it's intellectually interesting. Similarly, it isn't "gratify curiosity", it's "gratify intellectual curiosity" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). There are other kinds of curiosity (e.g. social curiosity) and they're interesting too (to me also!) but they're not the same as intellectual curiosity and thus not what this site is primarily for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22social%20curiosity%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - Teever 2y ago