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"Agency has the meaning given to it in section 551 of title 5, United States Code" ... "each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE

"Agency has the meaning given to it in section 551 of title 5, United States Code" ... "each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE Team of at least four employees" ... "each DOGE Team will typically include one DOGE Team Lead, one engineer, one human resources specialist, and one attorney" that's at least 500k in salaries even for the lowball public sector, and there are at least 230 federal agencies, which you can be damn sure are gonna interpret this as broadly as possible, i.e. including the subagencies that's 400+ under 5 USC § 551 (see https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies) nothing like kicking off your "efficiency" drive with a $200m+ expense

giantg2 2y ago
"that's at least 500k in salaries even for the lowball public sector" I'm not sure I agree with the approach, but this seems overstated. At least from an engineer perspective, there are sub-$70k engineer jobs. That four person team could be $250k. Also, they could be pulling that internally instead of external hires.
- deleted 2y ago
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- anigbrowl 2y ago
  Those teams will be tasted with heavy responsibilities (or at least workload) and most of them will want to compensated accordingly. Also, even for low paid jobs you're overlooking benefits, pension contributions etc. While some of them might be internal hires, to the extent that they were previously productive, those jobs will have to be replaced, and to the extent that they were not, they will be incentivized to make broad decisions whose eventual costs may fall upon the public in terms of lower responsiveness or less effective outcomes or the loss of impartiality.
- Rebelgecko 2y ago
  That GS-8 or whatever making $70k probably costs 50% or double that after benefits
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Yeah, with benefits will be higher. Maybe 50% at most for gov jobs.
- ianburrell 2y ago
  The US government has standard pay tables. My understanding is that the grades are determined by experience. They couldn't pay skilled workers less than their rate.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Have you looked at the USA jobs gov site? I've seen low paying engineering jobs.
- rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
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- purple_ferret 2y ago
  Some of these agencies have IT infrastructure meant to accommodate thousands of people. Many have convoluted structures to protect data; webs of contractor-led programs that are barely connected. You really think an engineer that will accept 70k pay is going to even understand what's going on?
sershe 2y ago
They can make it revenue neutral by firing the DEI people :)

giantg2 2y ago

"that's at least 500k in salaries even for the lowball public sector" I'm not sure I agree with the approach, but this seems overstated. At least from an engineer perspective, there are sub-$70k engineer jobs. That four person team could be $250k. Also, they could be pulling that internally instead of external hires.

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anigbrowl 2y ago
Those teams will be tasted with heavy responsibilities (or at least workload) and most of them will want to compensated accordingly. Also, even for low paid jobs you're overlooking benefits, pension contributions etc. While some of them might be internal hires, to the extent that they were previously productive, those jobs will have to be replaced, and to the extent that they were not, they will be incentivized to make broad decisions whose eventual costs may fall upon the public in terms of lower responsiveness or less effective outcomes or the loss of impartiality.
Rebelgecko 2y ago
That GS-8 or whatever making $70k probably costs 50% or double that after benefits
- giantg2 2y ago
  Yeah, with benefits will be higher. Maybe 50% at most for gov jobs.
ianburrell 2y ago
The US government has standard pay tables. My understanding is that the grades are determined by experience. They couldn't pay skilled workers less than their rate.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Have you looked at the USA jobs gov site? I've seen low paying engineering jobs.
rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
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purple_ferret 2y ago
Some of these agencies have IT infrastructure meant to accommodate thousands of people. Many have convoluted structures to protect data; webs of contractor-led programs that are barely connected. You really think an engineer that will accept 70k pay is going to even understand what's going on?

sershe 2y ago

They can make it revenue neutral by firing the DEI people :)