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Note: I’m not one of those people that think copyright shouldn’t exist. Authors definitely deserve to get paid for their work. That said, my personal belief is

Note: I’m not one of those people that think copyright shouldn’t exist. Authors definitely deserve to get paid for their work. That said, my personal belief is that if the books weren’t legally freely available all that Meta owes would be how much the book costs. Each individual book would be such a small part of the model that it’s barely distinguishable. I’m sure image models have been trained on some of my professionally taken photographs and I don’t care one bit. I’d argue that’s the cost of the books was how much it was worth before AI models, and the authors themselves didn’t create the technology. Therefore the added value of the technology has absolutely nothing to do with them. If book publishers/authors decide to have different pricing in the future to take the tech into account that’s their right.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
> That said, my personal belief is that if the books weren’t legally freely available all that Meta owes would be how much the book costs Why isn't stealing and knowing you're stealing penalized more than the cost of the item? If the world worked this way everyone would steal. > Each individual book would be such a small part of the model that it’s barely distinguishable. Needs to be proven (and also impossible to prove how much of the value of the model comes from the classified material)
keernan 2y ago
Civil law recognizes the concept of awarding punitive damages against a defendant whose conduct is deemed to have been illegal or otherwise of such an abhorrent nature that punitive damages are warranted to deter such behavior by this defendant as well as serving as a deterrent to others. Knowingly obtaining millions of copyrighted materials that were posted illegally simply to serve your own financial interests, might very well qualify.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

> That said, my personal belief is that if the books weren’t legally freely available all that Meta owes would be how much the book costs Why isn't stealing and knowing you're stealing penalized more than the cost of the item? If the world worked this way everyone would steal. > Each individual book would be such a small part of the model that it’s barely distinguishable. Needs to be proven (and also impossible to prove how much of the value of the model comes from the classified material)

keernan 2y ago

Civil law recognizes the concept of awarding punitive damages against a defendant whose conduct is deemed to have been illegal or otherwise of such an abhorrent nature that punitive damages are warranted to deter such behavior by this defendant as well as serving as a deterrent to others. Knowingly obtaining millions of copyrighted materials that were posted illegally simply to serve your own financial interests, might very well qualify.