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If it goes against your personal beliefs to call someone what they prefer to be called at no expense to yourself, then you need some new personal beliefs.

crackercrews 2y ago
What about neopronouns? Can someone just make up a new set of words like zi / zim / zis and expect you to remember them whenever talking to or about that person?
- djur 2y ago
  You already remember what standard pronouns to use to refer to each person in your life. They're words you learned right from the start of learning the language. The same isn't true of "neopronouns".
  - crackercrews 2y ago
    You seem to be in agreement with my sentiment. There is also additional work in remembering which pronoun to use with which NB person. With most people, you just automatically say the right thing.
- foldr 2y ago
  What have you done so far in cases where a coworker has asked you to refer to them only using a neopronoun?
  - crackercrews 2y ago
    As others have suggested I just avoid pronouns. This seems to be a common approach.
    - foldr 2y ago
      Seems like a practical solution. So what’s the problem?
      - crackercrews 2y ago
        Probably that gender ideology played a sizable role in getting Trump re-elected. It was the topic of his most popular ad, and IIRC the plurality of swing state voters said it was the most important issue for them. So getting people to use preferred pronouns was a bit of a Pyrrhic victory in my book.
        foldr 2y ago
        >IIRC the plurality of swing state voters said [gender ideology] was the most important issue for them. I don't think that you RC. Citation very much needed here. The issue of neopronouns is largely theoretical, since almost all users of neopronouns also accept the gender neutral 'they'. The Trump ads weren't about neopronouns, and I doubt that most Trump voters (or indeed most Democratic voters) could tell you what a neopronoun is. Using people's preferred pronouns out of he/she/they is just common courtesy. It's essentially what everyone, social conservatives included, already does whenever they take someone's word regarding their gender rather than looking down their pants before talking about them in the third person.
        crackercrews 2y ago
        Eh, ok. [1] I guess there must be another reason Trump's campaign spent hundreds of millions of dollars broadcasting that ad. It was way more than they spent on any other ad. You're moving the goalpost here and pretending that neopronouns is not that big an issue. But it's obviously just part of the gender ideology issue, which was clearly part of the reason Trump won. I can see that there are still people out there with their heads in the sand. I wonder who you'll help elect next time around? 1: https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/11/11/survey-finds-trans-issue-was-top-concern-for-swing-voters-in-2024/ https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/11/11/survey-finds-trans-iss...
        2y ago
- wat10000 2y ago
  I already have to remember people’s names, what’s the difference?

crackercrews 2y ago

What about neopronouns? Can someone just make up a new set of words like zi / zim / zis and expect you to remember them whenever talking to or about that person?

djur 2y ago
You already remember what standard pronouns to use to refer to each person in your life. They're words you learned right from the start of learning the language. The same isn't true of "neopronouns".
- crackercrews 2y ago
  You seem to be in agreement with my sentiment. There is also additional work in remembering which pronoun to use with which NB person. With most people, you just automatically say the right thing.
foldr 2y ago
What have you done so far in cases where a coworker has asked you to refer to them only using a neopronoun?
- crackercrews 2y ago
  As others have suggested I just avoid pronouns. This seems to be a common approach.
  - foldr 2y ago
    Seems like a practical solution. So what’s the problem?
    - crackercrews 2y ago
      Probably that gender ideology played a sizable role in getting Trump re-elected. It was the topic of his most popular ad, and IIRC the plurality of swing state voters said it was the most important issue for them. So getting people to use preferred pronouns was a bit of a Pyrrhic victory in my book.
      - foldr 2y ago
        >IIRC the plurality of swing state voters said [gender ideology] was the most important issue for them. I don't think that you RC. Citation very much needed here. The issue of neopronouns is largely theoretical, since almost all users of neopronouns also accept the gender neutral 'they'. The Trump ads weren't about neopronouns, and I doubt that most Trump voters (or indeed most Democratic voters) could tell you what a neopronoun is. Using people's preferred pronouns out of he/she/they is just common courtesy. It's essentially what everyone, social conservatives included, already does whenever they take someone's word regarding their gender rather than looking down their pants before talking about them in the third person.
        crackercrews 2y ago
        Eh, ok. [1] I guess there must be another reason Trump's campaign spent hundreds of millions of dollars broadcasting that ad. It was way more than they spent on any other ad. You're moving the goalpost here and pretending that neopronouns is not that big an issue. But it's obviously just part of the gender ideology issue, which was clearly part of the reason Trump won. I can see that there are still people out there with their heads in the sand. I wonder who you'll help elect next time around? 1: https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/11/11/survey-finds-trans-issue-was-top-concern-for-swing-voters-in-2024/ https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/11/11/survey-finds-trans-iss...
        2y ago
wat10000 2y ago
I already have to remember people’s names, what’s the difference?