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At this point I think even people trapped for two years on the International Space Station have heard about the Astral toolchain.

thrdbndndn 2y ago
Any more info about "Astral" the org? I've used ruff/uv for sure, but I never pay attention to Astral who is behind it.
- ericjmorey 2y ago
  VC funded organization. Not sure what their business model is yet.
mrits 2y ago
Maybe, I use uv and rust has been my primary language for several years. I have never heard of astral though.
- zahlman 2y ago
  Astral is the organization making uv. It's right there in the GitHub URL.
  - mrits 2y ago
    How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? You acted like everyone had heard of it. My point is not even all the users of uv have.
    - lmm 2y ago
      > How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? The comment where you literally say "I have never heard of astral"? Gee, I wonder.
    - zahlman 2y ago
      >How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? From the comment I read, quoted directly: >I have never heard of astral though. If you meant "I only learned about Astral thanks to this post", then I pointed out how you might have found out by yourself before.
hartator 2y ago
Astral toolchain?
- zahlman 2y ago
  Python development tools produced by Astral (https://github.com/astral-sh https://github.com/astral-sh), primarily uv and ruff. GP is a complaint about how often people submit links to these projects. The resulting discussion tends not to produce any new insight and the most common points IMX are "it's fast because it's written in Rust" (which is fairly specious logic - most problems with existing native Python tools are due to algorithmic problems such as poorly designed caching) or "it avoids bootstrapping problems because it's not written in Python" (it's completely possible to avoid those problems for everything except actually provisioning the Python interpreter, which some people apparently do see as a killer feature).

thrdbndndn 2y ago

Any more info about "Astral" the org? I've used ruff/uv for sure, but I never pay attention to Astral who is behind it.

ericjmorey 2y ago
VC funded organization. Not sure what their business model is yet.

mrits 2y ago

Maybe, I use uv and rust has been my primary language for several years. I have never heard of astral though.

zahlman 2y ago
Astral is the organization making uv. It's right there in the GitHub URL.
- mrits 2y ago
  How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? You acted like everyone had heard of it. My point is not even all the users of uv have.
  - lmm 2y ago
    > How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? The comment where you literally say "I have never heard of astral"? Gee, I wonder.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >How do you read me comment and take away that I still dont know what Astral is? From the comment I read, quoted directly: >I have never heard of astral though. If you meant "I only learned about Astral thanks to this post", then I pointed out how you might have found out by yourself before.

hartator 2y ago

Astral toolchain?

zahlman 2y ago
Python development tools produced by Astral (https://github.com/astral-sh https://github.com/astral-sh), primarily uv and ruff. GP is a complaint about how often people submit links to these projects. The resulting discussion tends not to produce any new insight and the most common points IMX are "it's fast because it's written in Rust" (which is fairly specious logic - most problems with existing native Python tools are due to algorithmic problems such as poorly designed caching) or "it avoids bootstrapping problems because it's not written in Python" (it's completely possible to avoid those problems for everything except actually provisioning the Python interpreter, which some people apparently do see as a killer feature).