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My point was that U.S. automakers did not have to start from scratch with regards to propulsion as you claimed.

constantcrying 2y ago
But they had to start from scratch. How many engineers who know how to build EV motors do you think where sitting around at GM between 1996 and 2020 doing nothing? Exactly zero. Do you think GM has been developing EV motors and batteries since 1996 and just never used them for anything? That is ridiculous. All of the people there had to start from zero when designing EVs. There is no advantage of having had an idea but abandoning it 25 years ago. If anything Chinese EV companies had an advantage as getting specialist in producing batteries and motors is surely easier if your country is one of the biggest manufacturers. What of course is true is that GM could have had 25 years of development advantage, but chose to abandon that idea. This does not conflict at all with my point that they did not have that advantage, as they did not continue to make EVs.
- rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
  You're forgetting about HEV and PHEV that were/are in development in the interim. So yes, U.S. automakers did have electric propulsion and battery engineers for some time. Again, the U.S. automakers were negligent in planning for the future and are now laughably behind.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >Again, the U.S. automakers were negligent in planning for the future and are now laughably behind. That was my original point though?
    - rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
      You disagreed on the history of events by saying automakers globally started at the same point with regarding EVs and that's why in part China is so far ahead. I corrected you, that's it's worse than that because the U.S. automakers weren't even starting at 0 in comparison (which you doubled-down on that they were for whatever reason). They had the advantage to be ahead.
  - datavirtue 2y ago
    Tesla has done nothing but EVs and is laughably behind BYD. In fact, every US automotive manufacturer went to China and pretended that they wouldn't be able to catch up to them (racist) while teaching them how to build automobiles. Now everyone (especially Tesla) is crying foul and trying to invoke protectionism.

But they had to start from scratch. How many engineers who know how to build EV motors do you think where sitting around at GM between 1996 and 2020 doing nothing? Exactly zero. Do you think GM has been developing EV motors and batteries since 1996 and just never used them for anything? That is ridiculous. All of the people there had to start from zero when designing EVs. There is no advantage of having had an idea but abandoning it 25 years ago. If anything Chinese EV companies had an advantage as getting specialist in producing batteries and motors is surely easier if your country is one of the biggest manufacturers. What of course is true is that GM could have had 25 years of development advantage, but chose to abandon that idea. This does not conflict at all with my point that they did not have that advantage, as they did not continue to make EVs.

rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
You're forgetting about HEV and PHEV that were/are in development in the interim. So yes, U.S. automakers did have electric propulsion and battery engineers for some time. Again, the U.S. automakers were negligent in planning for the future and are now laughably behind.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >Again, the U.S. automakers were negligent in planning for the future and are now laughably behind. That was my original point though?
  - rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
    You disagreed on the history of events by saying automakers globally started at the same point with regarding EVs and that's why in part China is so far ahead. I corrected you, that's it's worse than that because the U.S. automakers weren't even starting at 0 in comparison (which you doubled-down on that they were for whatever reason). They had the advantage to be ahead.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  Tesla has done nothing but EVs and is laughably behind BYD. In fact, every US automotive manufacturer went to China and pretended that they wouldn't be able to catch up to them (racist) while teaching them how to build automobiles. Now everyone (especially Tesla) is crying foul and trying to invoke protectionism.