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> At least we got some good universities out of the 19th century iteration. You mean the ones that turned around and produced the current market fundamentalist

by CPLX 2y ago

> At least we got some good universities out of the 19th century iteration. You mean the ones that turned around and produced the current market fundamentalist and elite-run culture we have today? What a coincidence.

musicale 2y ago
And the modern generation of tech industrialists? Probably not a coincidence either. Though technically universities are more than just their endowments, business schools, engineering schools, sports teams, etc. They often have pretty good libraries, for example. Many universities also provide a variety of educational and course materials for free over the internet. Some train physicians and operate hospitals. And many universities have at least some minimal diversity of opinion on politics and policies. The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial, and many of them were founded with the idea of producing "leaders", which they have arguably done.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial… Isn’t it?
  - chrisweekly 2y ago
    No, it's a statement of fact, akin to "universities produce graduates".
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      well this {elite universities} produce {elite university} graduates is of course tautological but this elite universities produce university graduates who are elite (meaning better than others) is debatable. Most people who say "elite universities produce elite university graduates" mean the second and then don't provide any especially great arguments for the opinion.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      The only thing elite universities provide is, possibly, “elite” connections. The education is the same, you get out of it what you put into it. The state schools of the US aren’t worse than Stanford or Harvard, you pay extra to hang out with people who can also afford to pay extra. The college education system in the US is second only to the healthcare system in terms of “how fucked this system truly is” metric.
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by CPLX 2y ago

musicale 2y ago

And the modern generation of tech industrialists? Probably not a coincidence either. Though technically universities are more than just their endowments, business schools, engineering schools, sports teams, etc. They often have pretty good libraries, for example. Many universities also provide a variety of educational and course materials for free over the internet. Some train physicians and operate hospitals. And many universities have at least some minimal diversity of opinion on politics and policies. The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial, and many of them were founded with the idea of producing "leaders", which they have arguably done.

dgfitz 2y ago
> The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial… Isn’t it?
- chrisweekly 2y ago
  No, it's a statement of fact, akin to "universities produce graduates".
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    well this {elite universities} produce {elite university} graduates is of course tautological but this elite universities produce university graduates who are elite (meaning better than others) is debatable. Most people who say "elite universities produce elite university graduates" mean the second and then don't provide any especially great arguments for the opinion.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    The only thing elite universities provide is, possibly, “elite” connections. The education is the same, you get out of it what you put into it. The state schools of the US aren’t worse than Stanford or Harvard, you pay extra to hang out with people who can also afford to pay extra. The college education system in the US is second only to the healthcare system in terms of “how fucked this system truly is” metric.

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