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> This addresses nothing. This does in-fact address quite a bit, because they have change their stance with this update. Previously even LAN only mode required
by the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
> This addresses nothing.
This does in-fact address quite a bit, because they have change their stance with this update. Previously even LAN only mode required to go via their bambu connect system, now you can switch it to developer mode and talk freely via MQTT to the printer.
- progbits 2y agoBut when you buy the printer you still need to give it internet access / connect via their app, right?
- the_mitsuhiko 2y agoI'm not sure why you would need to give it internet access. I think even the firmware updates work via SD card.
- nullc 2y agoThey just introduced firmware updates via SD card in the most recent released version, prior to that you had to put the printer online and associate it with an account to get firmware updates. But yes today there is no need to use their cloud services unless you want to control the printer with their phone app. And the printer works totally fine completely isolated from the internet. The now aborted proposed update would have required using a binary shim from bambu with an embedded 1 year lifetime SSL cert to speak the the printer at all, even when in lan mode.
- LouisvilleGeek 2y agoBambu Companion (unfortunately iPhone only) does more than Handy and works on LAN. Using it today in fact! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpDQN9zgUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpDQN9zgUI
- BeefWellington 2y agoYou do not need to give it internet access for LAN mode to function, but you lose a LOT of features that the cloud app and mobile app give you. For example, you can no longer do anything with the camera in LAN mode, even from the official Bambu Studio app. So no timelapses or ability to check in on it from even just elsewhere in my house. There's also other limitations of it in features I don't really use, for example IIRC the RFID stuff they do with their print spools stops working.
- TechIsCool 2y agoDidn't we hear this tune from Sony in the Playstation 3 days with Developer mode and then it slowly faded away after a couple years of application/product releases...
- vvanders 2y agoYou could already talk freely to the MQTT on the printer and it was already secured with a unique password. This feels like making it a second class feature that could disappear at a future point.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y agoThat is obviously correct, but this is a meaningful improvement over what their initial plan was.
- rowanG077 2y agoThat doesn't seem obvious to me. It's not unthinkable their plan is: - Want to introduce x, but we are worried what our userbase thinks. - Introduce something way more ridiculous y that subsumes x. - Rollback y but not x because of backlash. Now they look like a company that listens to their users and they got what they wanted.
- satvikpendem 2y agoAh the classic door in the face technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique
- madeofpalk 2y agoThey’ve suffered real brand damage. Any of the changes (original, or these) seem like they would win over unconvinced potential customers, yet they’ve actively turned some away.
- vvanders 2y agoI don't really see what having a "developer mode" offers here beyond the existing solution. The current mqtt is already locked down with a unique password and AFAIK the endpoint was read-only anyway. Don't get me wrong I'm glad they're responding to feedback but the feedback shouldn't have been required in the first place. I'm all for better security on products(esp ones that heat up to 300C!) but interoperability with open standards makes it a better product overall and given the direction we've seen in the IoT space I think they've done quite a bit of damage(even if not intentionally) by not taking more care in this area.
- sho_hn 2y agoWhy should I switch to "developer mode" to talk to a computer I own on my own network?
- parasubvert 2y agoYou don't need to. You can use their Bambu Connect client in LAN mode. Or you can turn off security and use "developer mode", aka. "how things work today" mode, if you want to do things the old / insecure way.