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As Burnie Burns pointed out on Morning Somewhere this morning... wasn't the censorship when the US banned tiktok that led to this in the first place? China cens

As Burnie Burns pointed out on Morning Somewhere this morning... wasn't the censorship when the US banned tiktok that led to this in the first place? China censors certain posts, the US banned a whole platform.

rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
Is banning a company or product the same as censorship?
- Miner49er 2y ago
  Yeah, when that company or platform contains/provides speech
  - rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
    What if a company fails to abide by the laws it's supposed to follow in order to be a company though?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > when that company or platform contains/provides speech This neuters the word "censorship." We "censor," per this definition, fraud, false advertising, libel, slander, et cetera. Our system of allocating spectrum for radio or nearly-century old media foreign-ownership rules [1] similarly fall afoul of this definition. [1] https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/foreign-ownership-unauthorized-transfers https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/foreign-ownership-unau...
talldayo 2y ago
> China censors certain posts, the US banned a whole platform. China also bans entire platforms as well. If America had functioning consumer protections we would have outlawed platforms like TikTok, Facebook and Instagram years ago, but we don't. Our technocrats kiss ass like it's their legally wedded wife and end up getting political exemptions because they grovel nicely: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4d75zl212o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4d75zl212o The issue isn't reciprocity - that's always an absurd whataboutism excuse. The issue is that TikTok is a state asset, and since they refuse to be anything but an organ of the Chinese Communist Party they cannot persist in a market that prioritizes fair and equal competition. We've already seen how TikTok is weaponized against democratic nations: https://kyivinsider.com/russia-and-china-just-rigged-romanian-elections-using-10-million-fake-tiktok-accounts/ https://kyivinsider.com/russia-and-china-just-rigged-romania...
CaptainFever 2y ago
> China censors certain posts, the US banned a whole platform. This statement implies that China does not ban platforms. This is false. China bans Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Netflix, Steam, LinkedIn, to name a few. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago

Is banning a company or product the same as censorship?

Miner49er 2y ago
Yeah, when that company or platform contains/provides speech
- rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
  What if a company fails to abide by the laws it's supposed to follow in order to be a company though?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > when that company or platform contains/provides speech This neuters the word "censorship." We "censor," per this definition, fraud, false advertising, libel, slander, et cetera. Our system of allocating spectrum for radio or nearly-century old media foreign-ownership rules [1] similarly fall afoul of this definition. [1] https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/foreign-ownership-unauthorized-transfers https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/foreign-ownership-unau...

talldayo 2y ago

> China censors certain posts, the US banned a whole platform. China also bans entire platforms as well. If America had functioning consumer protections we would have outlawed platforms like TikTok, Facebook and Instagram years ago, but we don't. Our technocrats kiss ass like it's their legally wedded wife and end up getting political exemptions because they grovel nicely: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4d75zl212o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4d75zl212o The issue isn't reciprocity - that's always an absurd whataboutism excuse. The issue is that TikTok is a state asset, and since they refuse to be anything but an organ of the Chinese Communist Party they cannot persist in a market that prioritizes fair and equal competition. We've already seen how TikTok is weaponized against democratic nations: https://kyivinsider.com/russia-and-china-just-rigged-romanian-elections-using-10-million-fake-tiktok-accounts/ https://kyivinsider.com/russia-and-china-just-rigged-romania...

CaptainFever 2y ago

> China censors certain posts, the US banned a whole platform. This statement implies that China does not ban platforms. This is false. China bans Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Netflix, Steam, LinkedIn, to name a few. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...