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I have a mi50 with 16gb of hbm thats collecting dust (its Vega bases, so it can play games, I guess) because I don’t want to bother setting up a system with Ub

I have a mi50 with 16gb of hbm thats collecting dust (its Vega bases, so it can play games, I guess) because I don’t want to bother setting up a system with Ubuntu 20.04, the last version of Ubuntu the last version of ROCM that supported the MI50 works on. With situations like this, its not hard to see why Nvidia totally dominates in the compute/ai market.

slavik81 2y ago
The MI50 may be considered deprecated in newer releases, but it seems to work fine in my experience. I have a Radeon VII in my workstation (which shares the same architecture) and I host the MI60 test machine for Debian AI Team. I haven't had any trouble with them.
- 7speter 2y ago
  I don’t think the mi60 has reached deprecated status yet (the last time I look at prices for the mi50 and mi60, the mi60 was something like 3x expensive, and I think thats because its still officially supported), but I’ll check this all out. Thanks.
  - slavik81 2y ago
    The MI60 is basically just a faster MI50 with more memory. They were deprecated together. It's plausible there could be small firmware or driver differences that cause issues in one but not the other, but I think that's unlikely.
- nalllar 2y ago
  I had the impression Debian applied patches that widen arch support from what upstream officially supports, including for the MI50/MI60. https://salsa.debian.org/rocm-team/rocm-hipamd/-/raw/d6d20142c37e1dff820950b16ff8f0523241d935/debian/patches/0026-extend-hip-isa-compatibility-check.patch https://salsa.debian.org/rocm-team/rocm-hipamd/-/raw/d6d2014... (one patch of many)
  - slavik81 2y ago
    I wrote that patch. It's not actually used for MI50/MI60 in any of the Debian system packages, since Debian builds for gfx906 rather than using the gfx900 fallback path that patch provides. Debian is not relying on any special patches to enhance gfx906 support. That architecture is the same as upstream. Now, for some other GPU architectures, you're absolutely right. There are indeed important patches in Debian that enable its extra-wide hardware compatibility.
    - nalllar 2y ago
      Thanks for all your work on this.
FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
AMD did over $5 billion in GPU compute (Instinct line) last year. Not nVidia numbers but also not bad. Customers love that they can actually get Instinct system rather than trying to compete with the hyperscalers for limited supplies of nVidia systems. Meta and Microsoft are the two biggest buyers of AMD Instincts, though... AMD Instinct is also more power efficient and has comparable (if not better) performance for the same (or less) price.
- 7speter 2y ago
  Meta and Microsoft buys hundreds of thousands of Nvidia accelerators a year, and are a big reason why everyone else has to compete for nvidia units.

slavik81 2y ago

The MI50 may be considered deprecated in newer releases, but it seems to work fine in my experience. I have a Radeon VII in my workstation (which shares the same architecture) and I host the MI60 test machine for Debian AI Team. I haven't had any trouble with them.

7speter 2y ago
I don’t think the mi60 has reached deprecated status yet (the last time I look at prices for the mi50 and mi60, the mi60 was something like 3x expensive, and I think thats because its still officially supported), but I’ll check this all out. Thanks.
- slavik81 2y ago
  The MI60 is basically just a faster MI50 with more memory. They were deprecated together. It's plausible there could be small firmware or driver differences that cause issues in one but not the other, but I think that's unlikely.
nalllar 2y ago
I had the impression Debian applied patches that widen arch support from what upstream officially supports, including for the MI50/MI60. https://salsa.debian.org/rocm-team/rocm-hipamd/-/raw/d6d20142c37e1dff820950b16ff8f0523241d935/debian/patches/0026-extend-hip-isa-compatibility-check.patch https://salsa.debian.org/rocm-team/rocm-hipamd/-/raw/d6d2014... (one patch of many)
- slavik81 2y ago
  I wrote that patch. It's not actually used for MI50/MI60 in any of the Debian system packages, since Debian builds for gfx906 rather than using the gfx900 fallback path that patch provides. Debian is not relying on any special patches to enhance gfx906 support. That architecture is the same as upstream. Now, for some other GPU architectures, you're absolutely right. There are indeed important patches in Debian that enable its extra-wide hardware compatibility.
  - nalllar 2y ago
    Thanks for all your work on this.

FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago

AMD did over $5 billion in GPU compute (Instinct line) last year. Not nVidia numbers but also not bad. Customers love that they can actually get Instinct system rather than trying to compete with the hyperscalers for limited supplies of nVidia systems. Meta and Microsoft are the two biggest buyers of AMD Instincts, though... AMD Instinct is also more power efficient and has comparable (if not better) performance for the same (or less) price.

7speter 2y ago
Meta and Microsoft buys hundreds of thousands of Nvidia accelerators a year, and are a big reason why everyone else has to compete for nvidia units.