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Do you realize the exact same things can be said about the President we had for the last four years? It's really hard to worry about your own guy being a scumb

Do you realize the exact same things can be said about the President we had for the last four years? It's really hard to worry about your own guy being a scumbag, when the opposition supports a scumbag too (and then lies about it).

gedpeck 2y ago
Biden hasn’t been convicted of felonies. He’s not an adjudicated rapist. He doesn’t refer to his daughter as a nice piece of ass. He isn’t banned from running a charity. He hasn’t bribed any porn stars. He hasn’t accepted $30 billion in bribes. He hasn’t taken secret documents to illegally keep in his bathroom. He hasn’t met with Putin alone without an interpreter or any other U.S. official present. He hasn’t made fun of a reporter’s disability. He didn’t appoint his son-in-law to be an advisor who then accepted bribes from Saudi Arabia. He hasn’t engaged in Twitter feuds with 15 year old kids from Sweden. He didn’t threaten to withhold disaster aid to states that didn’t vote for him. Nothing I’ve said against Trump is about his politics. He, as a person, is narcissistic, self centered, selfish, boorish, infantile, incurious, lustful, and greedy. He’s a despicable person and those who support him are terrible people.
- snowfarthing 2y ago
  You aren't aware of what was found on Hunter's laptop, or in Ashley's diary (she had to choose her showering times carefully to make sure her father wouldn't join her), or Tara Reed's allegations. To say Biden hasn't accepted $30 billion in bribes, in particular, is laughably funny, and he was caught having secret documents kept illegally in his garage. He is on record threatening aid from Ukraine unless they fired a particular prosecutor who was investigating his son. He has, for all intents and purposes, withheld disaster aid from North Carolina, who didn't vote for him. He has plagiarized speeches several times over the years -- indeed, this is what derailed his first attempt to run for President, back in the 1980s. And he hasn't been particularly nice to reporters, and considering what he is on record saying to constituents, I can confidentially say that the only reason he doesn't engage in Twitter feuds is because he's too senile to be allowed near Twitter. Biden, as a person, is narcissistic, self centered, selfish, boorish, infantile, incurious, lustful, and greedy. He’s a despicable person and those who support him are terrible people. Either that, or they are just ignorant -- because the mainstream press has worked hard to hide these kinds of things from us. It is why trust in them has plummeted over the last few years.
  - gedpeck 2y ago
    Great. We are in agreement that a person who engages in odious behavior is not worthy of support. As such Donald Trump is not worthy of support. If you want to discuss Biden then start another thread. This one is about Donald Trump.
- snowfarthing 2y ago
  "If you want to discuss Biden then start another thread. This one is about Donald Trump." You cannot talk about Trump without putting him in context. The fact is, the reason why we have Trump for President again, is because the person who replaced him was so horrible, that Trump looked better in comparison. And what's more, conisdering what I said -- and what you are responding to -- I have to bring up Biden, because my entire point is "both sides do it". If you want to bring back honor and decency to the White House, you have to do it with an honorable and decent person. Neither Biden nor Harris fit that bill.
  - gedpeck 2y ago
    You cannot talk about Trump without putting him in context. I can. I did. It doesn’t need context. It’s well documented the things he did. The fact is, the reason why we have Trump for President again… This is not an established fact. … Harris fit that bill. Harris’ moral and ethical failings are nothing compared to Trump. You can do what I did and not vote and not support either candidate. Stand up for truth and righteousness and stop trying to justify your support for a person as shitty as Trump. It’s a choice to defend shitty behavior. When you do so you end up smelling like shit.
  - snowfarthing 2y ago
    "Harris’ moral and ethical failings are nothing compared to Trump. You can do what I did and not vote and not support either candidate. Stand up for truth and righteousness and stop trying to justify your support for a person as shitty as Trump. It’s a choice to defend shitty behavior. When you do so you end up smelling like shit." She implicitly supported Biden. She was complicit in all the lies that were pushed about Biden, particularly those about his fitness for the position. She endorsed going after political enemies with the legal system -- and then had the gall to claim that Trump would do just that himself. And then to go on and claim that if you supported a crappy candidate, then those people are crappy too, you have basically condemned the 95% or so who voted for one or the other -- for motivations that are well beyond either yours or my understanding -- this attitude right here is why politics is so toxic these days.
    - 2y ago
- itsoktocry 2y ago
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  - gedpeck 2y ago
    Which of the accusations are wrong? Do you deny these well documented things?
    - itsoktocry 2y ago
      Rape, for one. "The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped" https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a... You are reciting points that are provably false. Low information voter, reason your party lost and will continue to. Normal people do not agree with your extremism.
      - ziddoap 2y ago
        >Low information voter, reason your party lost and will continue to It's funny, in a sad way, that after so much discussion here about how silly it is to have this us vs. them, side vs. side mentality, that we end up with someone saying this.
      - notahacker 2y ago
        Maybe they're not so much "low information" as not sticking their fingers in their ears over the subsequent legal ruling by the presiding judge that the jury's finding that Mr Trump "sexually abused" Ms. Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally - in other words, that Mr Trump did in fact "rape" her as that term is commonly used and understood outside the context of New York Penal Law when tossing out Trump's countersuit https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790.200.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.54... I don't think it's "extremism" to suggest that a legal ruling that somebody forcibly penetrated their victim for sexual gratification might be a stain on their character.

gedpeck 2y ago

Biden hasn’t been convicted of felonies. He’s not an adjudicated rapist. He doesn’t refer to his daughter as a nice piece of ass. He isn’t banned from running a charity. He hasn’t bribed any porn stars. He hasn’t accepted $30 billion in bribes. He hasn’t taken secret documents to illegally keep in his bathroom. He hasn’t met with Putin alone without an interpreter or any other U.S. official present. He hasn’t made fun of a reporter’s disability. He didn’t appoint his son-in-law to be an advisor who then accepted bribes from Saudi Arabia. He hasn’t engaged in Twitter feuds with 15 year old kids from Sweden. He didn’t threaten to withhold disaster aid to states that didn’t vote for him. Nothing I’ve said against Trump is about his politics. He, as a person, is narcissistic, self centered, selfish, boorish, infantile, incurious, lustful, and greedy. He’s a despicable person and those who support him are terrible people.

snowfarthing 2y ago
You aren't aware of what was found on Hunter's laptop, or in Ashley's diary (she had to choose her showering times carefully to make sure her father wouldn't join her), or Tara Reed's allegations. To say Biden hasn't accepted $30 billion in bribes, in particular, is laughably funny, and he was caught having secret documents kept illegally in his garage. He is on record threatening aid from Ukraine unless they fired a particular prosecutor who was investigating his son. He has, for all intents and purposes, withheld disaster aid from North Carolina, who didn't vote for him. He has plagiarized speeches several times over the years -- indeed, this is what derailed his first attempt to run for President, back in the 1980s. And he hasn't been particularly nice to reporters, and considering what he is on record saying to constituents, I can confidentially say that the only reason he doesn't engage in Twitter feuds is because he's too senile to be allowed near Twitter. Biden, as a person, is narcissistic, self centered, selfish, boorish, infantile, incurious, lustful, and greedy. He’s a despicable person and those who support him are terrible people. Either that, or they are just ignorant -- because the mainstream press has worked hard to hide these kinds of things from us. It is why trust in them has plummeted over the last few years.
- gedpeck 2y ago
  Great. We are in agreement that a person who engages in odious behavior is not worthy of support. As such Donald Trump is not worthy of support. If you want to discuss Biden then start another thread. This one is about Donald Trump.
snowfarthing 2y ago
"If you want to discuss Biden then start another thread. This one is about Donald Trump." You cannot talk about Trump without putting him in context. The fact is, the reason why we have Trump for President again, is because the person who replaced him was so horrible, that Trump looked better in comparison. And what's more, conisdering what I said -- and what you are responding to -- I have to bring up Biden, because my entire point is "both sides do it". If you want to bring back honor and decency to the White House, you have to do it with an honorable and decent person. Neither Biden nor Harris fit that bill.
- gedpeck 2y ago
  You cannot talk about Trump without putting him in context. I can. I did. It doesn’t need context. It’s well documented the things he did. The fact is, the reason why we have Trump for President again… This is not an established fact. … Harris fit that bill. Harris’ moral and ethical failings are nothing compared to Trump. You can do what I did and not vote and not support either candidate. Stand up for truth and righteousness and stop trying to justify your support for a person as shitty as Trump. It’s a choice to defend shitty behavior. When you do so you end up smelling like shit.
- snowfarthing 2y ago
  "Harris’ moral and ethical failings are nothing compared to Trump. You can do what I did and not vote and not support either candidate. Stand up for truth and righteousness and stop trying to justify your support for a person as shitty as Trump. It’s a choice to defend shitty behavior. When you do so you end up smelling like shit." She implicitly supported Biden. She was complicit in all the lies that were pushed about Biden, particularly those about his fitness for the position. She endorsed going after political enemies with the legal system -- and then had the gall to claim that Trump would do just that himself. And then to go on and claim that if you supported a crappy candidate, then those people are crappy too, you have basically condemned the 95% or so who voted for one or the other -- for motivations that are well beyond either yours or my understanding -- this attitude right here is why politics is so toxic these days.
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itsoktocry 2y ago
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- gedpeck 2y ago
  Which of the accusations are wrong? Do you deny these well documented things?
  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    Rape, for one. "The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped" https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a... You are reciting points that are provably false. Low information voter, reason your party lost and will continue to. Normal people do not agree with your extremism.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >Low information voter, reason your party lost and will continue to It's funny, in a sad way, that after so much discussion here about how silly it is to have this us vs. them, side vs. side mentality, that we end up with someone saying this.
    - notahacker 2y ago
      Maybe they're not so much "low information" as not sticking their fingers in their ears over the subsequent legal ruling by the presiding judge that the jury's finding that Mr Trump "sexually abused" Ms. Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally - in other words, that Mr Trump did in fact "rape" her as that term is commonly used and understood outside the context of New York Penal Law when tossing out Trump's countersuit https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790.200.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.54... I don't think it's "extremism" to suggest that a legal ruling that somebody forcibly penetrated their victim for sexual gratification might be a stain on their character.