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> It just doesn't seem like those applications matter enough to normal people to actually pay anyone for them. I thought this was basically the core point supp

by tayo42 2y ago

> It just doesn't seem like those applications matter enough to normal people to actually pay anyone for them. I thought this was basically the core point supporting the conclusion, but I don't think people really want to pay for anything, which is why everything is ad supported. I don't think you can say people don't want AI just because they don't want to pay 20/month or w/e for it.

aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> but I don't think people really want to pay for anything People don't like subscriptions.
jsheard 2y ago
> I don't think you can say people don't want AI just because they don't want to pay 20/month or w/e for it. But do people want AI that's rigged to constantly recommend Shopping Like A Billionaire at Temu™, either? Because that's the alternative if people won't pay.
- davidt84 2y ago
  Perhaps they want the real alternative: no AI.
  - jsheard 2y ago
    Right, but companies which have already invested a gazillion dollars into AI aren't going to entertain the idea that users simply don't want AI at all.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      Companies that haven't invested a gazillion dollars ought to entertain that idea, though...
the_snooze 2y ago
The piece is about Google Workspace, a paid service. Gemini was initially an add-on for it. Gemini apparently had low uptake from this already-self-selecting group of customers who are indeed willing to pay for stuff. But rather than going back to the drawing board to make it more useful/appealing, they increased everyone's base subscription and made Gemini "free;" you know, a feature that paying customers demonstrably didn't value enough to pay for.
tim333 2y ago
I paid 20/month for a few months with ChatGPT but stopped because you could get basically the same for free. If there were no free options I might pay but when free versions are pretty much forced upon you there's not much compulsion.

by tayo42 2y ago

aleph_minus_one 2y ago

> but I don't think people really want to pay for anything People don't like subscriptions.

jsheard 2y ago

> I don't think you can say people don't want AI just because they don't want to pay 20/month or w/e for it. But do people want AI that's rigged to constantly recommend Shopping Like A Billionaire at Temu™, either? Because that's the alternative if people won't pay.

davidt84 2y ago
Perhaps they want the real alternative: no AI.
- jsheard 2y ago
  Right, but companies which have already invested a gazillion dollars into AI aren't going to entertain the idea that users simply don't want AI at all.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Companies that haven't invested a gazillion dollars ought to entertain that idea, though...

the_snooze 2y ago

The piece is about Google Workspace, a paid service. Gemini was initially an add-on for it. Gemini apparently had low uptake from this already-self-selecting group of customers who are indeed willing to pay for stuff. But rather than going back to the drawing board to make it more useful/appealing, they increased everyone's base subscription and made Gemini "free;" you know, a feature that paying customers demonstrably didn't value enough to pay for.

tim333 2y ago

I paid 20/month for a few months with ChatGPT but stopped because you could get basically the same for free. If there were no free options I might pay but when free versions are pretty much forced upon you there's not much compulsion.