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You're very late to the party. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/ https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-ti

You're very late to the party. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/ https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-ti...

danlivingston 2y ago
How is this at all related to what the person was saying? They made no mention of financial corruption. They're explicitly talking about speech and press.
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  Money, speech, press... The mafia has many avenues of control...
red-iron-pine 2y ago
additionally, wasn't the "whistleblower" who made many claims about Hunter Biden's laptop found to be blatantly fraudulent? dude was later convicted for making false statements. IIRC the Romanian and Kazakstan ones were also heavily thrown into doubt. whole thing reads like whataboutism
- quickslowdown 2y ago
  That's exactly what it is. The people breathlessly compiling a list of "what abouts" for this type of corruption need to look past their nose. 2 things can be fucked up at the same time, and one of those things being fucked up isn't an excuse for the other thing to continue being fucked up. Also, when one of those "what abouts" is verifiably false, as in the case of the guy who made claims about Hunter's laptop, it's completely meaningless. Those people are comparing to something that doesn't even exist. It's a stupid, losing game that way too many people want to play.
quickslowdown 2y ago
At the risk of "what about"-ing, this list is laughably small compared to the Trump's bribe docket. Neither of these are acceptable, a president and their associates should not be able to personally enrich themselves from the office. I know this disclaimer won't matter to someone who just really wants to argue, but this does absolutely nothing to move the needle for me. Pointing to someone else's corruption to excuse Trump's corruption is just a losing battle, you will never convince me to care about one when the other is just allowed to fly.
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jayd16 2y ago
Comparing Hunter Bidens sale of his name to the Trump organization as if it's the same is so laughable. How many pump and dump crypto scams is Joe up to? "Media" company stock sell offs? Hotels he puts government employees in so he can charge their stay?
jmull 2y ago
I think it's pretty clear Hunter Biden has been sleazily profiting from the position of his father. What's missing is Joe Biden's involvement. If your politics are against Joe Biden, I guess you can just kind of imagine that he must have participated. IMO, we should find corruption in politicians flat unacceptable, even if -- especially if -- they are on our own "side". You may want to become concerned when the president can unilaterally contravene laws passed by congress and validated by the Supreme Court.
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- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  > You may want to become concerned when the president can unilaterally contravene laws passed by congress and validated by the Supreme Court. It seems prudent to say given this seems to the prevailing narrative: this did not happen. The law is still in effect and Tiktok is still banned[0]. The service shutdown that many experienced yesterday was one Tiktok performed voluntarily, presumably in protest of the ban. Tiktok's decision to restore the service was one they could have made at any point after the shutdown, regardless of any statements made by the then-President-Elect. 0: If you don't believe me, uninstall it from your phone and re-download it. ;)

You're very late to the party. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/ https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-ti...

danlivingston 2y ago

How is this at all related to what the person was saying? They made no mention of financial corruption. They're explicitly talking about speech and press.

cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Money, speech, press... The mafia has many avenues of control...

red-iron-pine 2y ago

additionally, wasn't the "whistleblower" who made many claims about Hunter Biden's laptop found to be blatantly fraudulent? dude was later convicted for making false statements. IIRC the Romanian and Kazakstan ones were also heavily thrown into doubt. whole thing reads like whataboutism

quickslowdown 2y ago
That's exactly what it is. The people breathlessly compiling a list of "what abouts" for this type of corruption need to look past their nose. 2 things can be fucked up at the same time, and one of those things being fucked up isn't an excuse for the other thing to continue being fucked up. Also, when one of those "what abouts" is verifiably false, as in the case of the guy who made claims about Hunter's laptop, it's completely meaningless. Those people are comparing to something that doesn't even exist. It's a stupid, losing game that way too many people want to play.

quickslowdown 2y ago

At the risk of "what about"-ing, this list is laughably small compared to the Trump's bribe docket. Neither of these are acceptable, a president and their associates should not be able to personally enrich themselves from the office. I know this disclaimer won't matter to someone who just really wants to argue, but this does absolutely nothing to move the needle for me. Pointing to someone else's corruption to excuse Trump's corruption is just a losing battle, you will never convince me to care about one when the other is just allowed to fly.

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jayd16 2y ago

Comparing Hunter Bidens sale of his name to the Trump organization as if it's the same is so laughable. How many pump and dump crypto scams is Joe up to? "Media" company stock sell offs? Hotels he puts government employees in so he can charge their stay?

jmull 2y ago

I think it's pretty clear Hunter Biden has been sleazily profiting from the position of his father. What's missing is Joe Biden's involvement. If your politics are against Joe Biden, I guess you can just kind of imagine that he must have participated. IMO, we should find corruption in politicians flat unacceptable, even if -- especially if -- they are on our own "side". You may want to become concerned when the president can unilaterally contravene laws passed by congress and validated by the Supreme Court.

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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
> You may want to become concerned when the president can unilaterally contravene laws passed by congress and validated by the Supreme Court. It seems prudent to say given this seems to the prevailing narrative: this did not happen. The law is still in effect and Tiktok is still banned[0]. The service shutdown that many experienced yesterday was one Tiktok performed voluntarily, presumably in protest of the ban. Tiktok's decision to restore the service was one they could have made at any point after the shutdown, regardless of any statements made by the then-President-Elect. 0: If you don't believe me, uninstall it from your phone and re-download it. ;)