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> Give me five odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in their spelling Compare the reasoning times!!! 84s vs 342s R1 (Thought for 84 seconds) No o

by msoad 2y ago

> Give me five odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in their spelling Compare the reasoning times!!! 84s vs 342s R1 (Thought for 84 seconds) No odd number in English avoids the letter 'e' in its spelling. The request for five such numbers cannot be fulfilled. o1 Pro (Thought for 5 minutes and 42 seconds) No standard English spelling of an odd number can avoid “e.” Every odd digit (one, three, five, seven, nine) already includes “e,” so once you build any odd number out of those digits, the spelled‐out form will contain “e.” As a result, there are no such odd numbers in standard English without an “e” in their name.

coffeebeqn 2y ago
Took 1m 36s for me. My default prompt is a bit different “think from first principles”. It’s pretty verbose but I enjoyed looking through all the work it did. Pretty impressive !
mattkrause 2y ago
Even after five minutes, the logic has a (small) hole. Not all odd spell out the digit: thirteen, fifteen (and maybe eleven?) are odd but don’t have an ‘e’ in the word’s “digit” part, though they obviously do elsewhere.
- ben_w 2y ago
  If the answer is supposed to be logically rigorous, o1 is incomplete for the reason you say. If I was treating this as a lateral thinking puzzle (does anyone still do those for interview questions?) rather than a sensible request, I'd give numbers in a non-Latin character set, at which point it's easy: 一三五七九 (But even this only works for silly games, IMO).
  - lynguist 2y ago
    4o: https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbcd-a864-8007-9a34-e4e6574a2b57 https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbcd-a864-8007-9a34-e4e6574a2b... "Thus, the five odd numbers without an 'e' in their spelling are: 41, 43, 45, 47, and 49. " o1: https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbf8-ba20-8007-a33e-20ddbc545ba8 https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbf8-ba20-8007-a33e-20ddbc545b... " 2 (two), 4 (four), 6 (six), 30 (thirty), 40 (forty) Those five are “odd” (i.e., strange) choices, yet each spelled-out form has no letter e. This twist—treating “odd” to mean “strange” rather than “not even”—is usually the intended “gotcha” of the puzzle."
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > This twist—treating “odd” to mean “strange” rather than “not even”—is usually the intended “gotcha” of the puzzle." I like this one. The 4o answer, on the other hand… unless I've missed something (and LLMs are increasingly highlighting to me the ways in which I do), it seems like the kind of wrong that gets LLMs a bad reputation?
      - lynguist 2y ago
        It is! 4o is unfortunantely often very dumb in tricky circumstances, or is biased toward pundit-like opinions that are wrong. I'm not sure why that is the case, but the full o1 always has a "weight"/"presence" to it when I chat with it that suggests to me like a real intelligence. It can also solve difficult puzzles that 4o and me struggle with.
d0mine 2y ago
Uno https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uno https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uno
mchinen 2y ago
[Edit: I suppose the correct answer was for the full model]. What I got was much worse when I ran with hf.co/unsloth/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B-GGUF:Q8_0. (I think the glyph-based reasoning is especially hard for models though, since they have a token-level blindness to them): >>> Give me 5 odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in them. <think> Okay, so I need to come up with five odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in their name. Hmm, let's break this down step by step. First, what exactly is being asked here? The user wants numbers, specifically odd ones, and they can't contain the letter 'e'. So I guess it's about the written form of the numbers, not their mathematical properties. For example, 13 is an odd number, and when you write it out, it's "thirteen," which does have an 'e' in it. So that wouldn't work. Alright, so I need to think of numbers where their names don't include 'e'. Let me start by listing some odd numbers and then check if each has an 'e' in their name. The first few odd numbers are 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, etc. Let's go one by one: 1. "One": No 'e' here. So 1 is a candidate. 2. "Three": Yes, that has an 'e'. 3. "Five": Again, no 'e'. So 5 works. 4. "Seven": Has an 'e' as well. 5. "Nine": No 'e' in "nine". Good to go. Wait, so far I have 1, 5, and 9 as possible numbers. Let me keep going. <truncated by me...> Wait, let me make sure. The word "forty" is F-O-R-T-Y, no 'e', so adding "-one" which doesn't add an 'e' either. So yes, "forty-one" has no 'e's. So that's another number: 41. So now I have five numbers: 1, 5, 9, 19, and 41. Let me double-check each to ensure they don't contain the letter 'e': - One: No 'e'. - Five: No 'e'. - Nine: No 'e'. - Nineteen: No 'e'. - Forty-one: No 'e'. Yes, all of these are odd numbers and their names do not include the letter 'e'. I think that's a solid list. </think> Here is a list of five odd numbers whose names do not contain the letter 'e': 1. **One** 2. **Five** 3. **Nine** 4. **Nineteen** 5. **Forty-one** These numbers are all odd, and their written forms do not include the letter 'e'.

by msoad 2y ago

coffeebeqn 2y ago

Took 1m 36s for me. My default prompt is a bit different “think from first principles”. It’s pretty verbose but I enjoyed looking through all the work it did. Pretty impressive !

mattkrause 2y ago

Even after five minutes, the logic has a (small) hole. Not all odd spell out the digit: thirteen, fifteen (and maybe eleven?) are odd but don’t have an ‘e’ in the word’s “digit” part, though they obviously do elsewhere.

ben_w 2y ago
If the answer is supposed to be logically rigorous, o1 is incomplete for the reason you say. If I was treating this as a lateral thinking puzzle (does anyone still do those for interview questions?) rather than a sensible request, I'd give numbers in a non-Latin character set, at which point it's easy: 一三五七九 (But even this only works for silly games, IMO).
- lynguist 2y ago
  4o: https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbcd-a864-8007-9a34-e4e6574a2b57 https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbcd-a864-8007-9a34-e4e6574a2b... "Thus, the five odd numbers without an 'e' in their spelling are: 41, 43, 45, 47, and 49. " o1: https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbf8-ba20-8007-a33e-20ddbc545ba8 https://chatgpt.com/share/678ecbf8-ba20-8007-a33e-20ddbc545b... " 2 (two), 4 (four), 6 (six), 30 (thirty), 40 (forty) Those five are “odd” (i.e., strange) choices, yet each spelled-out form has no letter e. This twist—treating “odd” to mean “strange” rather than “not even”—is usually the intended “gotcha” of the puzzle."
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > This twist—treating “odd” to mean “strange” rather than “not even”—is usually the intended “gotcha” of the puzzle." I like this one. The 4o answer, on the other hand… unless I've missed something (and LLMs are increasingly highlighting to me the ways in which I do), it seems like the kind of wrong that gets LLMs a bad reputation?
    - lynguist 2y ago
      It is! 4o is unfortunantely often very dumb in tricky circumstances, or is biased toward pundit-like opinions that are wrong. I'm not sure why that is the case, but the full o1 always has a "weight"/"presence" to it when I chat with it that suggests to me like a real intelligence. It can also solve difficult puzzles that 4o and me struggle with.

d0mine 2y ago

Uno https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uno https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uno

mchinen 2y ago

[Edit: I suppose the correct answer was for the full model]. What I got was much worse when I ran with hf.co/unsloth/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B-GGUF:Q8_0. (I think the glyph-based reasoning is especially hard for models though, since they have a token-level blindness to them): >>> Give me 5 odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in them. <think> Okay, so I need to come up with five odd numbers that don't have the letter 'e' in their name. Hmm, let's break this down step by step. First, what exactly is being asked here? The user wants numbers, specifically odd ones, and they can't contain the letter 'e'. So I guess it's about the written form of the numbers, not their mathematical properties. For example, 13 is an odd number, and when you write it out, it's "thirteen," which does have an 'e' in it. So that wouldn't work. Alright, so I need to think of numbers where their names don't include 'e'. Let me start by listing some odd numbers and then check if each has an 'e' in their name. The first few odd numbers are 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, etc. Let's go one by one: 1. "One": No 'e' here. So 1 is a candidate. 2. "Three": Yes, that has an 'e'. 3. "Five": Again, no 'e'. So 5 works. 4. "Seven": Has an 'e' as well. 5. "Nine": No 'e' in "nine". Good to go. Wait, so far I have 1, 5, and 9 as possible numbers. Let me keep going. <truncated by me...> Wait, let me make sure. The word "forty" is F-O-R-T-Y, no 'e', so adding "-one" which doesn't add an 'e' either. So yes, "forty-one" has no 'e's. So that's another number: 41. So now I have five numbers: 1, 5, 9, 19, and 41. Let me double-check each to ensure they don't contain the letter 'e': - One: No 'e'. - Five: No 'e'. - Nine: No 'e'. - Nineteen: No 'e'. - Forty-one: No 'e'. Yes, all of these are odd numbers and their names do not include the letter 'e'. I think that's a solid list. </think> Here is a list of five odd numbers whose names do not contain the letter 'e': 1. **One** 2. **Five** 3. **Nine** 4. **Nineteen** 5. **Forty-one** These numbers are all odd, and their written forms do not include the letter 'e'.