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The conspiracy I follow is systemd is the result of a bunch of noobs trying to duplicate the Mac experience on linux. Such as the focus on laptop over tradition

The conspiracy I follow is systemd is the result of a bunch of noobs trying to duplicate the Mac experience on linux. Such as the focus on laptop over traditional multi-user systems. And a desire to minimize boot time. See also, "wayland replaces X" for only the use cases tech bros know about.

maxerickson 2y ago
It's not a conspiracy when they are more or less open about what their goals are.
- zahlman 2y ago
  I think GP was trying to be sarcastic. Or else, what exactly is supposed to be bad about trying to minimize boot time?
  - buddavis_ 2y ago
    there is a bit of sarcasm in there, but most server and desktop machines stay on all the time. Amortized over 1000 days of uptime, that 30 second boot time is not worth messing with.
    - sam_lowry_ 2y ago
      Microsoft broke suspend to ram with its Modern Standby [1] around 5 years ago. So fast boot times is a thing again ) [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
mschuster91 2y ago
> Such as the focus on laptop over traditional multi-user systems. When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments? Computers aren't expensive any more, every employee gets issued a laptop these days. Developers go where users go, that's it.
- blueflow 2y ago
  > When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments? Now. Yes, Employees all do have laptops, but the shared servers are beefy af.
- buddavis_ 2y ago
  There are many multi user systems still in use. Think HPC, universities, places where the security requirements do not allow code / data to be shared by access from a users laptop. Operations vs. Development. Operations is much more likely to be multi-user.
- curt15 2y ago
  At least at Google ~10 years ago, the dev laptops were used to SSH into beefy workstations where all the real work gets done.
  - darthwalsh 2y ago
    ~5 years ago, you SSH'ed into your Linux workstation under your desk, or your equivalent VM. although blaze builds didn't do the real work on your machine, but farmed it it to cloud machines.
- salawat 2y ago
  Developers are users. Stop forgetting that.

maxerickson 2y ago

It's not a conspiracy when they are more or less open about what their goals are.

zahlman 2y ago
I think GP was trying to be sarcastic. Or else, what exactly is supposed to be bad about trying to minimize boot time?
- buddavis_ 2y ago
  there is a bit of sarcasm in there, but most server and desktop machines stay on all the time. Amortized over 1000 days of uptime, that 30 second boot time is not worth messing with.
  - sam_lowry_ 2y ago
    Microsoft broke suspend to ram with its Modern Standby [1] around 5 years ago. So fast boot times is a thing again ) [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

mschuster91 2y ago

> Such as the focus on laptop over traditional multi-user systems. When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments? Computers aren't expensive any more, every employee gets issued a laptop these days. Developers go where users go, that's it.

blueflow 2y ago
> When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments? Now. Yes, Employees all do have laptops, but the shared servers are beefy af.
buddavis_ 2y ago
There are many multi user systems still in use. Think HPC, universities, places where the security requirements do not allow code / data to be shared by access from a users laptop. Operations vs. Development. Operations is much more likely to be multi-user.
curt15 2y ago
At least at Google ~10 years ago, the dev laptops were used to SSH into beefy workstations where all the real work gets done.
- darthwalsh 2y ago
  ~5 years ago, you SSH'ed into your Linux workstation under your desk, or your equivalent VM. although blaze builds didn't do the real work on your machine, but farmed it it to cloud machines.
salawat 2y ago
Developers are users. Stop forgetting that.