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I am not going pretend to know the specifics, but don't the have mandatory Communist Party Committee? Comming from former eastern block country, I assume that t

I am not going pretend to know the specifics, but don't the have mandatory Communist Party Committee? Comming from former eastern block country, I assume that they tend to have the final voice.

Mashimo 2y ago
Lets assume they have a party member in their ranks, how will that result in unlimited money?
Squarex 2y ago
@Mashimo If the party would see them as strategic in their competition with the United States I am sure the money would not be the main problem.
diggan 2y ago
Are you talking about State-Owned Enterprise? Because yes, those have government tighter oversight and control, but I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. From the rest, it works the same as in the US. If the government comes with a lawful order for you to do something, you'll do it or be held responsible for ignoring it.
- Squarex 2y ago
  I believe that private chinese companies still have to accompany communist party members atleast as employees. But again, I don't know the specifics.
  - numpad0 2y ago
    I think slight variations of that happens everywhere. Chinese companies have legally required CCP connections, which sounds ominous, but American companies of substantial scale will have ex-government employees, resources allocated for lobbying, and connections to senators. The difference is whether it's codified and imposed or implicitly required for survival. (not that I support CCP, the requirement do sound ominous to me)
    - coliveira 2y ago
      Exactly, in the US the big companies also enter the government complex through board memberships and collaboration with 3 letter agencies, just like in China.
  - TheTaytay 2y ago
    Squarex is responding in good faith and is being downvoted. We don’t downvote for simple disagreement around here. (We shouldn’t postulate on rationale behind downvotes, but it’s not a good look for criticism to be downvoted regularly)
- cbg0 2y ago
  > but I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. There's no way to really tell. An authoritarian state like China can decide to control this company at any time, if it chooses to, through more direct or indirect means. A well known story on this subject: https://www.wired.com/story/jack-ma-isnt-back/ https://www.wired.com/story/jack-ma-isnt-back/
  - coliveira 2y ago
    It doesn't need to be an authoritarian government. The US government can proclaim a company to be of "national interest" at any time and thus determine what it can export or not, as it has done repeatedly over the last few years.
    - cbg0 2y ago
      Restricting tech exports is not the same thing as the government taking control of a company.
      - coliveira 2y ago
        Really? Would the company subject itself to this otherwise?
        cbg0 2y ago
        No company would subject itself to any laws of it didn't have to either. You're trying very hard to make it seem like China isn't doing anything different than western countries for some reason.
        Shinolove 2y ago
        that's literally the case tho so it is you who is trying to dig your head even deeper into the sand
- davedx 2y ago
  > I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. How did you check?
- taneq 2y ago
  > From the rest, it works the same as in the US. If the government comes with a lawful order for you to do something, you'll do it or be held responsible for ignoring it. I’m always amazed when people ignore this. One day it’ll be stories about the CIA or whatever agency demanding data from a big tech company, with gag orders so they legally can’t even tell anyone. The next it’ll be a story about TikTok or DJI being bad because the Chinese government has influenced over them. All big governments are like this.
markus_zhang 2y ago
CPC consists of higher management so yeah they have the final voice, just like every other companies. The antidote for the CCP stuffs, is to alter your mind and accept that the CCP is no longer an ideological party, but a club of social elites. Whether that's a good thing is of course open to debate.

I am not going pretend to know the specifics, but don't the have mandatory Communist Party Committee? Comming from former eastern block country, I assume that they tend to have the final voice.

Mashimo 2y ago

Lets assume they have a party member in their ranks, how will that result in unlimited money?

Squarex 2y ago

@Mashimo If the party would see them as strategic in their competition with the United States I am sure the money would not be the main problem.

diggan 2y ago

Are you talking about State-Owned Enterprise? Because yes, those have government tighter oversight and control, but I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. From the rest, it works the same as in the US. If the government comes with a lawful order for you to do something, you'll do it or be held responsible for ignoring it.

Squarex 2y ago
I believe that private chinese companies still have to accompany communist party members atleast as employees. But again, I don't know the specifics.
- numpad0 2y ago
  I think slight variations of that happens everywhere. Chinese companies have legally required CCP connections, which sounds ominous, but American companies of substantial scale will have ex-government employees, resources allocated for lobbying, and connections to senators. The difference is whether it's codified and imposed or implicitly required for survival. (not that I support CCP, the requirement do sound ominous to me)
  - coliveira 2y ago
    Exactly, in the US the big companies also enter the government complex through board memberships and collaboration with 3 letter agencies, just like in China.
- TheTaytay 2y ago
  Squarex is responding in good faith and is being downvoted. We don’t downvote for simple disagreement around here. (We shouldn’t postulate on rationale behind downvotes, but it’s not a good look for criticism to be downvoted regularly)
cbg0 2y ago
> but I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. There's no way to really tell. An authoritarian state like China can decide to control this company at any time, if it chooses to, through more direct or indirect means. A well known story on this subject: https://www.wired.com/story/jack-ma-isnt-back/ https://www.wired.com/story/jack-ma-isnt-back/
- coliveira 2y ago
  It doesn't need to be an authoritarian government. The US government can proclaim a company to be of "national interest" at any time and thus determine what it can export or not, as it has done repeatedly over the last few years.
  - cbg0 2y ago
    Restricting tech exports is not the same thing as the government taking control of a company.
    - coliveira 2y ago
      Really? Would the company subject itself to this otherwise?
      - cbg0 2y ago
        No company would subject itself to any laws of it didn't have to either. You're trying very hard to make it seem like China isn't doing anything different than western countries for some reason.
        Shinolove 2y ago
        that's literally the case tho so it is you who is trying to dig your head even deeper into the sand
davedx 2y ago
> I don't think this company is a SOE, at least from what I can tell. How did you check?
taneq 2y ago
> From the rest, it works the same as in the US. If the government comes with a lawful order for you to do something, you'll do it or be held responsible for ignoring it. I’m always amazed when people ignore this. One day it’ll be stories about the CIA or whatever agency demanding data from a big tech company, with gag orders so they legally can’t even tell anyone. The next it’ll be a story about TikTok or DJI being bad because the Chinese government has influenced over them. All big governments are like this.

markus_zhang 2y ago

CPC consists of higher management so yeah they have the final voice, just like every other companies. The antidote for the CCP stuffs, is to alter your mind and accept that the CCP is no longer an ideological party, but a club of social elites. Whether that's a good thing is of course open to debate.