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The US already threatened to invade the Netherlands not so long ago, worked like a charm. I'm pretty sure your scenario would be resolved just as easily

by usrnm 2y ago

postepowanieadm 2y ago
Netherlands(ASML) or Denmark(Greenland/Ozempic)?
- peterpost2 2y ago
  I think he might be thinking about the following repulsive law: https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_...
belter 2y ago
Your forgot about the ASML Machines remote disable. The SEAL Team 6 better deploy already to a location around Amsterdam.... "ASML can remotely disable chip machines if China invades Taiwan" - https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip-machines-china-invades-taiwan-report https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip...
- sylware 2y ago
  I heard about total destruction, but not from ASML, from taiwan authorities.
corimaith 2y ago
The US isn't even willing to send troops to deal with the Houthis and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? Maybe you should cool it with the propaganda here.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? It is as credible as it gets. The explicit threat is in the American Service-Members' Protection Act and it was signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 2, 2002. Which part of this do you feel is propaganda?
  - corimaith 2y ago
    >It is as credible as it gets. It's as uncredible as it gets the moment you spend more than 1 minute thinking about it. Let's play this logically through. In order to coerce the Netherlands to align with ASML Export Controls (With the assumption they do not already align with such policy), the US (Who exactly in the US, the famously No-New-Wars Donald Trump, or an isolationist Congress) is going to the invoke the Hague Invasion Act, to "free" nonexistent American officials that are held up by nonexistent criminal convictions by the Hague? And this will somehow coerce the Netherlands despite being completely unrelated to ASML which is located 137 KM away in Veldhoven? Even the gritty details, how exactly is this "invasion" of yours going to work? You are going to send a battallion of Marines to attack the Hague, or are you going to Veldhoven 137 KM away to occupy ASML Factories or capture the ASML CEO? Which of the two? All the while provoking a kinetic war with a technologically-peer nation? Even if you do manage to do it, what then? Your supply lines are completely cut, enemy troops are moving in with greater firepower and numbers. Or are you assuming some kind of national invasion where the US Military is going to direct a CSG to attack the Dutch then some sort of occupation, likely within wider war against Europe which likely lead to quagmire of massive American casualties, all for the sake of "coercing" ASML not to export to China? And American people, US Congress, political rivals and the Democrats will just stand by instead of likely removing the incumbent? The nonalignment is dubious. The motivation within individuals is non-credible. The mechanism does not exist. The invasion is highly improbable and self-defeating. The very fact that you label this as "as credible as it gets" should tell anyone that you and OP are either extremely uninformed, or being intellectually dishonest with an agenda to divide.
    - krisoft 2y ago
      > Let's play this logically through. Okay. Let's. > In order to coerce the Netherlands to align with ASML Export Controls Oops. You went down the wrong route. The credible threat I'm talking about is over the International Criminal Court potentially prosecuting American service members. That is as credible as it gets. Elected politicians got together, and signed their promise of it happening into literal law. There is no more credible way for America to signal that they are going to do something besides actually doing it. Please re-read my comment more carefully. I'm not talking about the ASML or export controls. > The very fact that you label this as "as credible as it gets" should tell anyone that you and OP are either extremely uninformed, or being intellectually dishonest with an agenda to divide. You sling a lot of accusations. Try to not guess what I might think. Read my actual words. Thanks. America did in fact threaten the Netherland with invasion. Credibly. This is a fact. I precisely named my source in my previous comment. No. They did not do this in context of ASML, nor did I say that they did that.

The US already threatened to invade the Netherlands not so long ago, worked like a charm. I'm pretty sure your scenario would be resolved just as easily

by usrnm 2y ago

The US already threatened to invade the Netherlands not so long ago, worked like a charm. I'm pretty sure your scenario would be resolved just as easily

postepowanieadm 2y ago

Netherlands(ASML) or Denmark(Greenland/Ozempic)?

peterpost2 2y ago
I think he might be thinking about the following repulsive law: https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_...

belter 2y ago

Your forgot about the ASML Machines remote disable. The SEAL Team 6 better deploy already to a location around Amsterdam.... "ASML can remotely disable chip machines if China invades Taiwan" - https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip-machines-china-invades-taiwan-report https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip...

sylware 2y ago
I heard about total destruction, but not from ASML, from taiwan authorities.

corimaith 2y ago

The US isn't even willing to send troops to deal with the Houthis and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? Maybe you should cool it with the propaganda here.

krisoft 2y ago
> and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? It is as credible as it gets. The explicit threat is in the American Service-Members' Protection Act and it was signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 2, 2002. Which part of this do you feel is propaganda?
- corimaith 2y ago
  >It is as credible as it gets. It's as uncredible as it gets the moment you spend more than 1 minute thinking about it. Let's play this logically through. In order to coerce the Netherlands to align with ASML Export Controls (With the assumption they do not already align with such policy), the US (Who exactly in the US, the famously No-New-Wars Donald Trump, or an isolationist Congress) is going to the invoke the Hague Invasion Act, to "free" nonexistent American officials that are held up by nonexistent criminal convictions by the Hague? And this will somehow coerce the Netherlands despite being completely unrelated to ASML which is located 137 KM away in Veldhoven? Even the gritty details, how exactly is this "invasion" of yours going to work? You are going to send a battallion of Marines to attack the Hague, or are you going to Veldhoven 137 KM away to occupy ASML Factories or capture the ASML CEO? Which of the two? All the while provoking a kinetic war with a technologically-peer nation? Even if you do manage to do it, what then? Your supply lines are completely cut, enemy troops are moving in with greater firepower and numbers. Or are you assuming some kind of national invasion where the US Military is going to direct a CSG to attack the Dutch then some sort of occupation, likely within wider war against Europe which likely lead to quagmire of massive American casualties, all for the sake of "coercing" ASML not to export to China? And American people, US Congress, political rivals and the Democrats will just stand by instead of likely removing the incumbent? The nonalignment is dubious. The motivation within individuals is non-credible. The mechanism does not exist. The invasion is highly improbable and self-defeating. The very fact that you label this as "as credible as it gets" should tell anyone that you and OP are either extremely uninformed, or being intellectually dishonest with an agenda to divide.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > Let's play this logically through. Okay. Let's. > In order to coerce the Netherlands to align with ASML Export Controls Oops. You went down the wrong route. The credible threat I'm talking about is over the International Criminal Court potentially prosecuting American service members. That is as credible as it gets. Elected politicians got together, and signed their promise of it happening into literal law. There is no more credible way for America to signal that they are going to do something besides actually doing it. Please re-read my comment more carefully. I'm not talking about the ASML or export controls. > The very fact that you label this as "as credible as it gets" should tell anyone that you and OP are either extremely uninformed, or being intellectually dishonest with an agenda to divide. You sling a lot of accusations. Try to not guess what I might think. Read my actual words. Thanks. America did in fact threaten the Netherland with invasion. Credibly. This is a fact. I precisely named my source in my previous comment. No. They did not do this in context of ASML, nor did I say that they did that.