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They are almost always contractors. If you work permanent it tops out max at about £75,000-90,000.

by GasVeteran 2y ago

retrac98 2y ago
They’re not, they’re full time employees.
- GasVeteran 2y ago
  Then they are very few and far between. Generally the absolute limit is £90k. I've never seen any role for more than 90K unless it was a company in London and those are typically hybrid and not remote.
  - jonatron 2y ago
    The jobs above 90k generally don't specify a salary on the job posting. Just two examples: Goldman Sachs and Meta.
    - GasVeteran 2y ago
      So like I said originally these jobs are few and far between. The point is that in the UK the salaries are much lower than those in the US and this is across all experience ranges.
    - zipy124 2y ago
      I only have the figures for end of 2018[1], but meta employed around 2300 people in the UK, if we assume the same distribution of jobs as elsewhere in the world about half will be engineers, so 1150 engineers. There aren't that many of these jobs. At goldman its a lot higher, aboutn 10,000[2] globally, but they only have around 3,300 employees in the Uk so if its the same ratio as global (25% tech), then that means around 800 developers. Again you'll note this is a very small number compared to the number of top graduates a year, with class sizes of 100-200 per university. [1]: https://engineering.fb.com/2018/11/16/production-engineering/year-of-engineering/ https://engineering.fb.com/2018/11/16/production-engineering... [2]: https://brainstation.io/magazine/goldman-sachs-digital-team-grows-to-10000-developers-25-of-workforce https://brainstation.io/magazine/goldman-sachs-digital-team-... [3]: https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-international-pay-first-half-2023-20230831 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-internationa...
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- esskay 2y ago
  They're in the extreme minority. Most software dev roles in the UK top out between £40 and £50k, £60k if you're lucky.
  - UK-AL 2y ago
    I am not a top software engineer( (otherwise I'd be working fang tbh) and I earn 85k up north. Hybrid role that's local as well. I know people that earn a lot more than me. It's just the recruiters are a joke and advertise silly salaries from local companies that are out touch. You have to know what companies are serious or not, and just apply direct or via recommendations.
    - GasVeteran 2y ago
      I used to work at bet365. They don't even offer that to the permies (65K for Senior), if you stay there a bunch of years maybe 85k is doable. 365 are probably the best playing place outside of Manchester in the NW. So I find this rather hard to believe.
      - UK-AL 2y ago
        Took me about 5 seconds https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=b3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlY2xhc3M9Sm9icyZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZ1c2Vyc2VhcmNoY29udGV4dD0xMTQxMjc0MjYmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xOTM2MDk5JnNlYXJjaHBhZ2U9MSZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmc2VhcmNoc29ydD1zY29yZSZyZXFzaWc9MTczNzM4Nzg1NS0wYjNkY2RhNTNhNTM4NmNlNDQ1ZmQwYmY0Yjk2YzQwOTU2MzgzNGU0 https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI... https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=b3duZXJ0eXBlPWZhaXImcGFnZWNsYXNzPUpvYnMmb3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmc2VhcmNoc29ydD1zY29yZSZzZWFyY2hwYWdlPTEmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xOTM2OTE5JnVzZXJzZWFyY2hjb250ZXh0PTExNDEyNzQyNiZyZXFzaWc9MTczNzM4Nzg1NS0wYjNkY2RhNTNhNTM4NmNlNDQ1ZmQwYmY0Yjk2YzQwOTU2MzgzNGU0 https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI... Those are government, so probably have even better pensions than private sector. And there was job advertised for lead software engineer by computer futures(probably an agency) for 80k I didn't even look deep. I know there are even better jobs. There are jobs that pay more than 65k. Just have to know where to look. If you're working for undercapitalized local private companies, then yeah not going pay very much. I'd also recommend looking at remote jobs. My really smart friends who can beat the competition got 100k+ jobs working remote that are officially based in London but they work up north. Then come down for meeting once or twice every few months. A lot of the fintechs allow for fully remote and pay well.
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They are almost always contractors. If you work permanent it tops out max at about £75,000-90,000.

retrac98 2y ago

They’re not, they’re full time employees.

GasVeteran 2y ago
Then they are very few and far between. Generally the absolute limit is £90k. I've never seen any role for more than 90K unless it was a company in London and those are typically hybrid and not remote.
- jonatron 2y ago
  The jobs above 90k generally don't specify a salary on the job posting. Just two examples: Goldman Sachs and Meta.
  - GasVeteran 2y ago
    So like I said originally these jobs are few and far between. The point is that in the UK the salaries are much lower than those in the US and this is across all experience ranges.
  - zipy124 2y ago
    I only have the figures for end of 2018[1], but meta employed around 2300 people in the UK, if we assume the same distribution of jobs as elsewhere in the world about half will be engineers, so 1150 engineers. There aren't that many of these jobs. At goldman its a lot higher, aboutn 10,000[2] globally, but they only have around 3,300 employees in the Uk so if its the same ratio as global (25% tech), then that means around 800 developers. Again you'll note this is a very small number compared to the number of top graduates a year, with class sizes of 100-200 per university. [1]: https://engineering.fb.com/2018/11/16/production-engineering/year-of-engineering/ https://engineering.fb.com/2018/11/16/production-engineering... [2]: https://brainstation.io/magazine/goldman-sachs-digital-team-grows-to-10000-developers-25-of-workforce https://brainstation.io/magazine/goldman-sachs-digital-team-... [3]: https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-international-pay-first-half-2023-20230831 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-internationa...
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esskay 2y ago
They're in the extreme minority. Most software dev roles in the UK top out between £40 and £50k, £60k if you're lucky.
- UK-AL 2y ago
  I am not a top software engineer( (otherwise I'd be working fang tbh) and I earn 85k up north. Hybrid role that's local as well. I know people that earn a lot more than me. It's just the recruiters are a joke and advertise silly salaries from local companies that are out touch. You have to know what companies are serious or not, and just apply direct or via recommendations.
  - GasVeteran 2y ago
    I used to work at bet365. They don't even offer that to the permies (65K for Senior), if you stay there a bunch of years maybe 85k is doable. 365 are probably the best playing place outside of Manchester in the NW. So I find this rather hard to believe.
    - UK-AL 2y ago
      Took me about 5 seconds https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=b3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlY2xhc3M9Sm9icyZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZ1c2Vyc2VhcmNoY29udGV4dD0xMTQxMjc0MjYmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xOTM2MDk5JnNlYXJjaHBhZ2U9MSZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmc2VhcmNoc29ydD1zY29yZSZyZXFzaWc9MTczNzM4Nzg1NS0wYjNkY2RhNTNhNTM4NmNlNDQ1ZmQwYmY0Yjk2YzQwOTU2MzgzNGU0 https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI... https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=b3duZXJ0eXBlPWZhaXImcGFnZWNsYXNzPUpvYnMmb3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmc2VhcmNoc29ydD1zY29yZSZzZWFyY2hwYWdlPTEmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xOTM2OTE5JnVzZXJzZWFyY2hjb250ZXh0PTExNDEyNzQyNiZyZXFzaWc9MTczNzM4Nzg1NS0wYjNkY2RhNTNhNTM4NmNlNDQ1ZmQwYmY0Yjk2YzQwOTU2MzgzNGU0 https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI... Those are government, so probably have even better pensions than private sector. And there was job advertised for lead software engineer by computer futures(probably an agency) for 80k I didn't even look deep. I know there are even better jobs. There are jobs that pay more than 65k. Just have to know where to look. If you're working for undercapitalized local private companies, then yeah not going pay very much. I'd also recommend looking at remote jobs. My really smart friends who can beat the competition got 100k+ jobs working remote that are officially based in London but they work up north. Then come down for meeting once or twice every few months. A lot of the fintechs allow for fully remote and pay well.

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