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There is no such ban. Microsoft operates tons of services in China. Internet companies just need to host all Chinese in China using an approved provider. This i

by tw1984 2y ago

There is no such ban. Microsoft operates tons of services in China. Internet companies just need to host all Chinese in China using an approved provider. This is the exact same requirement extended to Tiktok, for ages US tiktok data is stored in Oracle cloud with full audit access by appointed American firms.

yyyfb 2y ago
Parent talks about Meta, you mention Microsoft. They are not in the same business. Meta is in the social networking domain, which the communist party in China has treated for years as a matter of national security. The "color revolutions" and the "Arab Spring" gave them good reason to believe that online social networks were a driver of societal change too powerful not to control. And they control it very very tightly.
- tw1984 2y ago
  > Parent talks about Meta, you mention Microsoft. Meta is in the social networking domain Microsoft operated its own popular social network in China, called MSN Messenger. Tens of millions Chinese users were on that platform for like a decade until the release of mobile based WeChat. > which the communist party in China has treated for years as a matter of national security It is a matter of national security, we all saw what happened on twitter shortly before the 6th Jan 2021 attack. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-5-2021 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-5-2... https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2... That is the exact reason why everyone agreed that TikTok must host all US data and its deployed recommendation algorithm code in the US with 3rd party audit access by an appointed US entity. The only question here is why should Meta and Google be exempted from the exact same rules if they want to operate their services in China.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
    MSN Messenger in China was run by MSN China, a separate company run by Chinese residents (as required by Chinese law). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_China They were defeated by the QQ app and shut down in 2014. https://technode.com/2014/08/29/microsoft-messenger-shut-down-in-mainland-china/ https://technode.com/2014/08/29/microsoft-messenger-shut-dow...
    - tw1984 2y ago
      > MSN Messenger in China was run by MSN China, a separate company run by Chinese residents (as required by Chinese law) Microsoft retained a 50% ownership of MSN China, just check the link you cited. Microsoft also retained the full ownership of the MSN messenger software while MSN China was just in charge of its day to day operation in China. Also interesting to see that millions of Tesla EVs are being sold in China, hundreds of millions other American cars were sold in the past, but when Chinese EVs try to crack the US market it sudden becomes a national security issue.
      - josephcsible 2y ago
        > Also interesting to see that millions of Tesla EVs are being sold in China, hundreds of millions other American cars were sold in the past, but when Chinese EVs try to crack the US market it sudden becomes a national security issue. Why are you making it sound like China doesn't restrict Tesla for "national security"? https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/business/tesla-barred-china-suspicions-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/business/tesla-barred-china-s... https://fortune.com/2023/07/26/tesla-cars-barred-china-world-university-games-xi-visit-worries-cameras-collect-sensitive-data/ https://fortune.com/2023/07/26/tesla-cars-barred-china-world... https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/more-venues-across-china-are-banning-tesla-vehicles-over-security-concerns/ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/more-venues-across-china-a... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-cars-are-banned-in-certain-areas-in-china-amid-security-concerns-228221.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-cars-are-banned-in-... https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/china-bans-tesla-driving-cities-communist-leaders https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/china-bans-tesla-drivin...

by tw1984 2y ago

yyyfb 2y ago

Parent talks about Meta, you mention Microsoft. They are not in the same business. Meta is in the social networking domain, which the communist party in China has treated for years as a matter of national security. The "color revolutions" and the "Arab Spring" gave them good reason to believe that online social networks were a driver of societal change too powerful not to control. And they control it very very tightly.

tw1984 2y ago
> Parent talks about Meta, you mention Microsoft. Meta is in the social networking domain Microsoft operated its own popular social network in China, called MSN Messenger. Tens of millions Chinese users were on that platform for like a decade until the release of mobile based WeChat. > which the communist party in China has treated for years as a matter of national security It is a matter of national security, we all saw what happened on twitter shortly before the 6th Jan 2021 attack. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-5-2021 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-5-2... https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2... That is the exact reason why everyone agreed that TikTok must host all US data and its deployed recommendation algorithm code in the US with 3rd party audit access by an appointed US entity. The only question here is why should Meta and Google be exempted from the exact same rules if they want to operate their services in China.
- FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
  MSN Messenger in China was run by MSN China, a separate company run by Chinese residents (as required by Chinese law). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_China They were defeated by the QQ app and shut down in 2014. https://technode.com/2014/08/29/microsoft-messenger-shut-down-in-mainland-china/ https://technode.com/2014/08/29/microsoft-messenger-shut-dow...
  - tw1984 2y ago
    > MSN Messenger in China was run by MSN China, a separate company run by Chinese residents (as required by Chinese law) Microsoft retained a 50% ownership of MSN China, just check the link you cited. Microsoft also retained the full ownership of the MSN messenger software while MSN China was just in charge of its day to day operation in China. Also interesting to see that millions of Tesla EVs are being sold in China, hundreds of millions other American cars were sold in the past, but when Chinese EVs try to crack the US market it sudden becomes a national security issue.
    - josephcsible 2y ago
      > Also interesting to see that millions of Tesla EVs are being sold in China, hundreds of millions other American cars were sold in the past, but when Chinese EVs try to crack the US market it sudden becomes a national security issue. Why are you making it sound like China doesn't restrict Tesla for "national security"? https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/business/tesla-barred-china-suspicions-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/business/tesla-barred-china-s... https://fortune.com/2023/07/26/tesla-cars-barred-china-world-university-games-xi-visit-worries-cameras-collect-sensitive-data/ https://fortune.com/2023/07/26/tesla-cars-barred-china-world... https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/more-venues-across-china-are-banning-tesla-vehicles-over-security-concerns/ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/more-venues-across-china-a... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-cars-are-banned-in-certain-areas-in-china-amid-security-concerns-228221.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-cars-are-banned-in-... https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/china-bans-tesla-driving-cities-communist-leaders https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/china-bans-tesla-drivin...