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Isn't it also an income issue? I'm from EU and would be totally open to move to UK if there was an opportunity to make more there while working on something co

Isn't it also an income issue? I'm from EU and would be totally open to move to UK if there was an opportunity to make more there while working on something cool. But there simply isn't? Then there are US startups where I could likely make 2 or 3x what I make in EU or UK. So why would talent every consider moving to the UK to build a startup in 2025 anyway?

bowsamic 2y ago
Also even the safe job wage in the UK is perhaps only 2/3 of in Germany for example
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  What do you mean by that?
  - zipy124 2y ago
    He means a safe wage job pays a third less in the UK than Germany. Not sure if it's true so let's look at some stats: Germany median for software engineer: €66,000 United kingdom median: €58,000 Note depending on source, these numbers both vary broadly within the same range, but with Germany salaries being about 10-15% higher on most sources, so nowhere near the figure claimed.
    - bowsamic 2y ago
      10-15% is not hugely far from 1/3 ;)
      - SkiFire13 2y ago
        You said that UK's salaries are 2/3 of the Germany ones, but this doesn't mean that the Germany ones are 1/3 more, they are 1/2 (or 50%) more. That's pretty far from 10-15%.
        bowsamic 2y ago
        Oh sorry, then I didn't maths properly. I always forget about the asymmetry of fractions EDIT: Please don't downvote me for admitting a mistake
        SkiFire13 2y ago
        No problem, it's a pretty common math/statistics trap that gets way more people than it should.
        justneedaname 2y ago
        https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiYh6_N7oaLAxWsV0EAHSMHGJkQtwJ6BAghEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dl_e1NzNOono&usg=AOvVaw0jlB3WbrKTIiiHr5DW28WA&opi=89978449 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web...
      - zipy124 2y ago
        10-15% in the opposite direction. That is I stated they earn 10-15% more. 33% less equates to them earning roughly 50% more. The difference between 10-15% and 50% is huge! (trivial example, if someone is earning £100,000, then someone earning 33% less makes £66,666. But Someone earning £100,000 makes 50% more than someone making £66,666)
itake 2y ago
> So why would talent every consider moving to the UK to build a startup in 2025 anyway? A lot of people choose to start businesses near their friends or families.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Right, but that would mean not moving.
  - freeone3000 2y ago
    Some people live in the UK already.
varispeed 2y ago
Something not talked about - you probably won't be able to lease suitable property if you are doing anything other than apps. Doing soldering of prototypes? Good luck finding a landlord that would let you do it. The moment they hear "fumes" is a nope, fire hazard, safety risk and won't let you...
- varispeed 2y ago
  Why downvotes? This is my real world experience.

bowsamic 2y ago

Also even the safe job wage in the UK is perhaps only 2/3 of in Germany for example

Cumpiler69 2y ago
What do you mean by that?
- zipy124 2y ago
  He means a safe wage job pays a third less in the UK than Germany. Not sure if it's true so let's look at some stats: Germany median for software engineer: €66,000 United kingdom median: €58,000 Note depending on source, these numbers both vary broadly within the same range, but with Germany salaries being about 10-15% higher on most sources, so nowhere near the figure claimed.
  - bowsamic 2y ago
    10-15% is not hugely far from 1/3 ;)
    - SkiFire13 2y ago
      You said that UK's salaries are 2/3 of the Germany ones, but this doesn't mean that the Germany ones are 1/3 more, they are 1/2 (or 50%) more. That's pretty far from 10-15%.
      - bowsamic 2y ago
        Oh sorry, then I didn't maths properly. I always forget about the asymmetry of fractions EDIT: Please don't downvote me for admitting a mistake
        SkiFire13 2y ago
        No problem, it's a pretty common math/statistics trap that gets way more people than it should.
        justneedaname 2y ago
        https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiYh6_N7oaLAxWsV0EAHSMHGJkQtwJ6BAghEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dl_e1NzNOono&usg=AOvVaw0jlB3WbrKTIiiHr5DW28WA&opi=89978449 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web...
    - zipy124 2y ago
      10-15% in the opposite direction. That is I stated they earn 10-15% more. 33% less equates to them earning roughly 50% more. The difference between 10-15% and 50% is huge! (trivial example, if someone is earning £100,000, then someone earning 33% less makes £66,666. But Someone earning £100,000 makes 50% more than someone making £66,666)

itake 2y ago

> So why would talent every consider moving to the UK to build a startup in 2025 anyway? A lot of people choose to start businesses near their friends or families.

CalRobert 2y ago
Right, but that would mean not moving.
- freeone3000 2y ago
  Some people live in the UK already.

varispeed 2y ago

Something not talked about - you probably won't be able to lease suitable property if you are doing anything other than apps. Doing soldering of prototypes? Good luck finding a landlord that would let you do it. The moment they hear "fumes" is a nope, fire hazard, safety risk and won't let you...

varispeed 2y ago
Why downvotes? This is my real world experience.