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Bambu Connect's Authentication X.509 Certificate and Private Key Extracted

69 points by nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago

iancmceachern 2y ago
Bambu really alienated their entire customer base. I have quite a few of their printers for my business but will be looking elsewhere from now on. Most others in the business will also. Trust is key. When you are investing in equipment for your business. Same with John Deere. It's very shortsighted.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  I wanted to pick up a printer this year and the Bambu p1s was at the top of my list. I’ve been fiddling with 3d printers for a decade and I want something that is just going to work and not break the bank. Any suggestions on a comparable substitute?
  - j_walter 2y ago
    I've heard a lot of people recommending the K1 as a similar substitute. https://www.creality.com/products/creality-k1-3d-printer https://www.creality.com/products/creality-k1-3d-printer I might check it out too, while I like my X1C...Bambu might be overstaying there welcome in my house.
    - iancmceachern 2y ago
      And the K2 just came out...
    - gjsman-1000 2y ago
      General consensus that I’ve heard online is that the K1 is nowhere near the same league - cheap unreliable clone would be the most common description.
      - iancmceachern 2y ago
        I think the K2 will be much closer
        bdcravens 2y ago
        I own a K2. It's much better than the K1, and pretty close to Bambu in terms of quality (I own several Bambu machines)
  - iancmceachern 2y ago
    I really like the two Elegoo neptune Max's I have (there are smaller models in the line also). I've also been eyeing the new Creality printers if you need an ams
  - kuboris 2y ago
    Prusa recently released a CoreXY printer that should be comparable if not more robust and capable. It is also much more open: https://www.prusa3d.com/product/prusa-core-one/ https://www.prusa3d.com/product/prusa-core-one/
    - nickthegreek 2y ago
      Twice the price.
      - ragingroosevelt 2y ago
        What are you comparing to? The X1 + AMS is pretty price comperable to the Core One + MMU, and is pretty feature-matched.
        nickthegreek 2y ago
        Ended up getting an open box Bambu p1s from Microcenter for $500 today.
- jjkaczor 2y ago
  ... Well, not their entire customer base - according to Slant 3d the scuttlebutt is that Bambu sold over a million printers last year...
medfield 2y ago
I wont be getting rid of my x1, but I will have to try out x1plus and contribute to their oroject now. https://www.crowdsupply.com/accelerated-tech/x1plus-expander https://www.crowdsupply.com/accelerated-tech/x1plus-expander
- green-salt 2y ago
  I didn't know about the hardware part. I installed x1plus this weekend after hearing about this and it was smooth.
- jjkaczor 2y ago
  The installation of X1Plus had to be the most easy, fluid and professional third-party firmware deployment I have EVER done. The ONLY pain points were the interactions with Bambu - first the authorization pages where you have to request using 3rd-party firmware kept cycling through their warnings and acceptances (trick to complete was opening the link using "Incognito/In Private" session), next you have to either upgrade to latest official firmware (if you are not there), then jump through several downgrades to get to the rootable version of the firmware using the "Bambu Handy" app. So far, so great - 36+ hrs printing, no issues. I have now got it fully working in LAN-mode. Home Assistant dashboard setup - but there is also someone working on a "Bambu Companion" phone app (it's in a TestFlight open beta) - which works well in the local LAN, and if you configure a secure tunnel through your router (Wireguard, Tailscale, OpenVPN, etc.), it works perfectly remotely as well. My only complaint with LAN-mode is that both Bambu Studio and OrcaSlicer "forget" the printer when the software is closed - they don't forget the "binding", so it is a "1-click" process to re-add to the Device tab, but it is a little bit of a hassle.
cyberax 2y ago
I can't understand the thinking in the boardrooms of these companies. You're making a good product, but by no means something unique and irreplaceable. And then you pull nonsense like this one. Why? Don't they understand that they're just shooting themselves in the foot?
- bigbones 2y ago
  Someone mentioned "App Store" during a meeting, probably accidentally. It's a known killer, the tech world equivalent of sneezing while carrying an infectious disease
- sottol 2y ago
  This was the play all along - roll up the competition and then shore up all the profit once dominant enough. I bet there are plans for new firmware $-unlocked pay-to-play features, making the AMS "more compatible" with Bambu filament (or eventually only Bambu filament for the next round or two of printers) and facilitating a lot more paid transactions and model purchases on Makerworld and taking the customary 30% cut.
  - nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
    The dominant enough part is questionable though! There were the go to... but that was based on a calculation price, quality, lack of hostility. People were already factoring in the cloudness of it and it just came ahead. Now other options will look better even if more expensive. They are the iPhone 1 not the 3S yet.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    But they're not dominant by any means. They are pretty good, I was seriously considering buying them to replace my AnkerMake (got it as a gift). So even setting the ethics aside, it's not going to do any good.
- nom 2y ago
  No, they don't understand. Or at least, the people making the decisions don't. They are far removed from the customers who try get the most out of their product. They probably are _aware_ of all the use-cases, but they only see it as something they can add as a feature for the enterprise segment. It's another future USP. Let's hope they notice that their foot now has a hole in it and is bleeding all over the place.
jaeckel 2y ago
I'm a bit surprised that nobody mentioned prusa as a replacement? FMU that's where Bambu originally copied from!? My short dive into 3d printers stopped once I was highlighted to the micro plastics pollution they create in the air, but still I would've gone for a prusa, already because all parts are free soft- and hardware. Or is there anything else I'm missing?
- libertine 2y ago
  > I'm a bit surprised that nobody mentioned prusa as a replacement? Prusa has a pricing issue, I don't think there's another way to go around it. I've been in the market for a 3D printer, and Prusa is rarely recommended for entry / mid-range printers (at least where I've looked). I don't know about the high-end range, but a lot of content about high-end stuff still revolves around Bambulab X1C—those content creators could be paid for, of course, even though many claim they aren't. Just seems like Bambulab printers are really good for the price. Now I get that Prusa is positioning itself as a local manufacturer in EU, and they are just a representation of the cost of making products in this setting - and I'm ok with this! I won't pay for it because I'm not their target customer, but I support it 100%.
- uniqueh4acker9 2y ago
  Prusa is not even fully open source anymore, bunch of excuses.. and definitelythey have a pricing god complex... Bambu still the best machines to date, especially if you consider price. If you do not upgrade NOTHING changes - and its only planned for the X-series as of now. People are being too hysterical.

69 points by nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago

Bambu really alienated their entire customer base. I have quite a few of their printers for my business but will be looking elsewhere from now on. Most others in the business will also. Trust is key. When you are investing in equipment for your business. Same with John Deere. It's very shortsighted.

nickthegreek 2y ago
I wanted to pick up a printer this year and the Bambu p1s was at the top of my list. I’ve been fiddling with 3d printers for a decade and I want something that is just going to work and not break the bank. Any suggestions on a comparable substitute?
- j_walter 2y ago
  I've heard a lot of people recommending the K1 as a similar substitute. https://www.creality.com/products/creality-k1-3d-printer https://www.creality.com/products/creality-k1-3d-printer I might check it out too, while I like my X1C...Bambu might be overstaying there welcome in my house.
  - iancmceachern 2y ago
    And the K2 just came out...
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    General consensus that I’ve heard online is that the K1 is nowhere near the same league - cheap unreliable clone would be the most common description.
    - iancmceachern 2y ago
      I think the K2 will be much closer
      - bdcravens 2y ago
        I own a K2. It's much better than the K1, and pretty close to Bambu in terms of quality (I own several Bambu machines)
- iancmceachern 2y ago
  I really like the two Elegoo neptune Max's I have (there are smaller models in the line also). I've also been eyeing the new Creality printers if you need an ams
- kuboris 2y ago
  Prusa recently released a CoreXY printer that should be comparable if not more robust and capable. It is also much more open: https://www.prusa3d.com/product/prusa-core-one/ https://www.prusa3d.com/product/prusa-core-one/
  - nickthegreek 2y ago
    Twice the price.
    - ragingroosevelt 2y ago
      What are you comparing to? The X1 + AMS is pretty price comperable to the Core One + MMU, and is pretty feature-matched.
      - nickthegreek 2y ago
        Ended up getting an open box Bambu p1s from Microcenter for $500 today.
jjkaczor 2y ago
... Well, not their entire customer base - according to Slant 3d the scuttlebutt is that Bambu sold over a million printers last year...

medfield 2y ago

I wont be getting rid of my x1, but I will have to try out x1plus and contribute to their oroject now. https://www.crowdsupply.com/accelerated-tech/x1plus-expander https://www.crowdsupply.com/accelerated-tech/x1plus-expander

green-salt 2y ago
I didn't know about the hardware part. I installed x1plus this weekend after hearing about this and it was smooth.
jjkaczor 2y ago
The installation of X1Plus had to be the most easy, fluid and professional third-party firmware deployment I have EVER done. The ONLY pain points were the interactions with Bambu - first the authorization pages where you have to request using 3rd-party firmware kept cycling through their warnings and acceptances (trick to complete was opening the link using "Incognito/In Private" session), next you have to either upgrade to latest official firmware (if you are not there), then jump through several downgrades to get to the rootable version of the firmware using the "Bambu Handy" app. So far, so great - 36+ hrs printing, no issues. I have now got it fully working in LAN-mode. Home Assistant dashboard setup - but there is also someone working on a "Bambu Companion" phone app (it's in a TestFlight open beta) - which works well in the local LAN, and if you configure a secure tunnel through your router (Wireguard, Tailscale, OpenVPN, etc.), it works perfectly remotely as well. My only complaint with LAN-mode is that both Bambu Studio and OrcaSlicer "forget" the printer when the software is closed - they don't forget the "binding", so it is a "1-click" process to re-add to the Device tab, but it is a little bit of a hassle.

cyberax 2y ago

I can't understand the thinking in the boardrooms of these companies. You're making a good product, but by no means something unique and irreplaceable. And then you pull nonsense like this one. Why? Don't they understand that they're just shooting themselves in the foot?

bigbones 2y ago
Someone mentioned "App Store" during a meeting, probably accidentally. It's a known killer, the tech world equivalent of sneezing while carrying an infectious disease
sottol 2y ago
This was the play all along - roll up the competition and then shore up all the profit once dominant enough. I bet there are plans for new firmware $-unlocked pay-to-play features, making the AMS "more compatible" with Bambu filament (or eventually only Bambu filament for the next round or two of printers) and facilitating a lot more paid transactions and model purchases on Makerworld and taking the customary 30% cut.
- nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
  The dominant enough part is questionable though! There were the go to... but that was based on a calculation price, quality, lack of hostility. People were already factoring in the cloudness of it and it just came ahead. Now other options will look better even if more expensive. They are the iPhone 1 not the 3S yet.
- cyberax 2y ago
  But they're not dominant by any means. They are pretty good, I was seriously considering buying them to replace my AnkerMake (got it as a gift). So even setting the ethics aside, it's not going to do any good.
nom 2y ago
No, they don't understand. Or at least, the people making the decisions don't. They are far removed from the customers who try get the most out of their product. They probably are _aware_ of all the use-cases, but they only see it as something they can add as a feature for the enterprise segment. It's another future USP. Let's hope they notice that their foot now has a hole in it and is bleeding all over the place.

jaeckel 2y ago

I'm a bit surprised that nobody mentioned prusa as a replacement? FMU that's where Bambu originally copied from!? My short dive into 3d printers stopped once I was highlighted to the micro plastics pollution they create in the air, but still I would've gone for a prusa, already because all parts are free soft- and hardware. Or is there anything else I'm missing?

libertine 2y ago
> I'm a bit surprised that nobody mentioned prusa as a replacement? Prusa has a pricing issue, I don't think there's another way to go around it. I've been in the market for a 3D printer, and Prusa is rarely recommended for entry / mid-range printers (at least where I've looked). I don't know about the high-end range, but a lot of content about high-end stuff still revolves around Bambulab X1C—those content creators could be paid for, of course, even though many claim they aren't. Just seems like Bambulab printers are really good for the price. Now I get that Prusa is positioning itself as a local manufacturer in EU, and they are just a representation of the cost of making products in this setting - and I'm ok with this! I won't pay for it because I'm not their target customer, but I support it 100%.
uniqueh4acker9 2y ago
Prusa is not even fully open source anymore, bunch of excuses.. and definitelythey have a pricing god complex... Bambu still the best machines to date, especially if you consider price. If you do not upgrade NOTHING changes - and its only planned for the X-series as of now. People are being too hysterical.